Thank you @jimmy2615
Since I posted, we tightened up the stands that were a bit loose and moved the speakers back to 30" from the wall and bass is better.
the only issue with using the RCA preamp out to the SUB, is the LFE is shared, so would have to unplug and change cables for movies. unless I am missing something.
they sound better and most likely will not bother with the sub for music listening..