Quincy Jones Interview


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The Beatles used to play up to 7 hours a night in Hamburg.  They learned everything by ear and by "seat of the pants."  They assimilated the music by the masters of rock and roll, pop and country.  Then they took pop music where it had never been before.  Face it, you're a snob, Minori, and apparently out of your element when not discussing jazz.  I think you should stick to what you know.  Also, please produce the documentation that proves the Beatles were bad musicians--I'd love to see it and I think others here would as well. 
Beatles were clearly not great individual technical musicians but extremely talented song writers (especially together) with some good production talent behind them (the fifth Beatle). Nobody went to see the Beatles for the musicianship - they could not hold a candle to the likes of Eddie Van Halen, Knopfler, Clapton, Jeff Beck, Elton John and the list goes on and on.

Beatles were like Bowie - great song writers - great melodies and highly innovative pushing their art in new directions...

I can see why professional musicians like Quincy can be frustrated by the self taught. Tom Petty could not even read music and he wrote countless hits and like the Beatles nobody went to see Tom play his guitar although Mike Campbell was supremely competent.

"I have no idea why Cream broke up. Eric wanted to go solo maybe?"

Eric revealed why he ended Cream in his interview in The Last Waltz:

"Music had been going in the wrong direction for a long time. When I heard Music From Big Pink (The Band's debut album, of course), I thought: Well, someone has finally gone and done it right. The album made me excited, but also disturbed."

Somewhat paraphrased, but that's the gist of it. Eric bought a case of Music From Big Pink LP's, put them in the trunk of his car, and gave a copy to everyone he knew, telling them "You've GOT to hear this." He told Jack and Ginger he wasn't interested in continuing Cream, and went up to Saugerties, New York (where The Band lived) to hang with The Band, waiting, as he now laughs about, for them to ask him to join. It finally dawned on him they didn't require or desire his services, so he left, and started on the second phase of his musical career.

Think about that for a second. The leader of the biggest band in the world dissolves that band because he hears an album by another band, one that makes music he feels makes his own irrelevant. Music From Big Pink had that effect on every musician I knew, completely changing our idea of how music should be played, of what made a band good, of what superior musicianship was. I had to start over from the beginning, learning how to play all over again, but now at least knowing what really made a musician a "good" one.

For me (and a lot of musicians I knew), groups like The Beatles were over; their time had past. They made some great music, some pretty good music, some okay music, and some dreadful music. To critique them in terms of their individual technical abilities is so wrongheaded as to defy belief!

I realize the above could be interpreted as supporting the argument that the members of The Beatles weren't "the best" musicians around. So what? They were good enough to play the kind of music they were making REALLY well. Their music was not about the technical abilities of the individual musicians---they were a Pop Group, not a Jazz quartet. Horses for courses!

I have no idea  if it is so but  I've read several times that all those Beatles songs claimed to be written by them were not written by them .
Thanks for the links Frogman. I remember Leonard Bernstein as a big Beatles fan and champion. In fact, he gave my parents reason to pause and listen to the point where they understood the music, loved some of it, and began to understand the feelings of the younger generation of which I was a member. Who cares if they were the best musicians? They made the best music.