Replicant 100 stylus

By intellectual ownership one need to distinguish between patent, licence

and trademark. Gyger I,II and S are designed by Van den Hul who

owns the patent while Gyger got either licence or trademark. ''FGS''

and other ''names'' used by Gyger suggest their own design .Considering

the fact Van den Hul sold more than Gyger it is understandable that

they wanted to end arrangement whit Van den Hul. But this imply

that their own styli are different than those designed by Van den Hul.

So we are again confronted with names which lack clear reference.

To put this otherwise we have the problem of ''identity'' which I try

to explain in my introduction. To put this in ''identity'' terminology

neither of all of them is identical with the other. So the name Gyger

is only clear for the company in Swiss  because each company

(legal body) must be registrated with its address and assets in

each country were present. I also made questions  by ''original parts''

while this info by our ''high level humorist'' illustrated that people

think that name ''Fritz Gyger'' refer to some ''original stylus'' whit

the same identity . But the case or ''the fact'' is that there are 5

different styli.

I am open to be corrected, but I thought there was a limit to the life of a Patent, that was approx' 20 Years of the protection offered, and then the protection enforcement diminished.

Maybe there are Styli being shaped to a particular form that is governed by a very tight tolerance for the dimensions produced.

If this is the case, is producing a version of the Styli, that is polished to the degree the Sales Spiel is a version that is no longer deemed an infringement of the Patent ? Maybe each supplier that is being suggested has their own version of the Styli, has their own unique treatment for it as well, that keeps them from a Patent Infringement, 0.01 dimension difference or something of the like ??

As said I am open to be corrected.

I make the reference to the above as a result of a recollection to a description I was given in my youth, to a question I had raised to a knowledgeable person.

Note: this is from many years past and is a not in any way a word for word transcript.

As a robust story, I was young, actually young fighting fit with a queue of girls falling at my feet.

I also like Cars, actually little Cars with  Hatch Batch and these had to be fast, well faster than any other little Hatch Back met on the road, these little cars evolved into be known as 'Hot Hatches' when all could be done to make them 'Hot'.   

There is one thing about having a Hot Hatch that is over looked by the Hot Hatch owner and the story is quite simple, the Hotter your Hatch, the Speedier such a Hatch will be, and good braking ability becomes very important, as guess what, ah you have guessed it already, yes correct, the Hot Hatch is being Braked as much as being accelerated.

The Hot Hatch owner in the Honeymoon Period with their Hottest Hatch on the Road, well their opinion of their Hot Hatch, only has Two Ambitions for any monies becoming available, One being Purchasing Fuel, the other adding go faster bits and pieces, even bling only comes into the equation when Girls enter the equation.

Braking who needs it, this one is certainly a consideration that is dead and buried, until it has the Lazarus Moment, it arises from the Dead and Buried like no other,  it is accompanied by WTF's and all types of Expletives and Cursing, having no Brakes of any use at certain times can create this expression of oneself.

Mr Hot Hatch will usually discover they have this capacity to express themselves in such a way, from a couple of experiences to be met, with One of these being the Red Traffic Control Light and a Few Cars awaiting the light to change. Mr Hot Hatch when true to form, will accelerate toward the Queue of Cars, smash on the Brakes and rest as good as on the rear bumper of the back of the queue vehicle and quite happily rev the engine as loud as to get their presence known to all in the queue.

Try the above with no Braking of any value.

What is quickly learnt if the Hotty isn't an insurance write off,  is that the Go Faster Stripes budget has now go to be redirected stopping quickly methods.

The Alien and Unexplored field of Braking is now to be entered, and the Call to the local garage who deals in the Brand of Vehicle supplies a price for the Pads and Discs and it is now looking like the Hot Hatch is to be sold on to raise the funds.

Then the local Auto Spares Outlet is called and ones woes are shared with the very helpful staff member, who is trained for these moments, no worries Sir, off course we can do better than that price Sir, well get you back on the road in no time Sir, just call in with your Wallet / Pocket Book.

Within an hour of the making the phone call, one is enlightened, the Pads and Discs can be had for two thirds less that the dealership garage, and NFW moment with a few other expletives, oh and a Robbing Bast**ds is a mandatory as well.

As said in a previous post, I am inquisitive, it does go back a long way that trait of mine. I inquired as to how such a price reduction is able to be offered, to which I got a description that might just be relevant to Styli Forms.

Think of Brake Pad and Disc as a Form created with a selection of specific dimensions to within a particular allowance of dim' tolerances, think of the form produced as being a design for a particular function on a particular range of vehicles and these Materials are used on the vehicle prior to being sold through the Manufacturers Dealership as a New Vehicle, and the Parts in use are all with a Patent protection.

X amount of years of the vehicle being on the road, the warranty period is over, the returns to the Dealership Garage for servicing, and maintenance/ Warranty covered work is no longer a requirement.

Then the savvy business entrepreneurs are waiting in the wings, with their methods to extract business from the Main Dealer Garage supplying Parts and offering alternate options at very discounted prices.

How about the same producer of the Patent Produced Parts are contacted.

Imagine a conversation such as, Entrepreneur - I want a 100 000 Pad and Discs to be supplied to the Manufacture Spec of ??? Motor Company, is this a standard spec you offer or is this spec bespoke.

Producer - We do not do bespoke spec, all of our production items is produced to one standard.

Entrepreneur - Can you produce the 100 000 items to these specific dimensions and they must not infringe the dimensions as per the ??? Motor Companies Patent for their parts. 

Producer - Off course we can, are you sure you will only be wanting 100 000, we can offer you a substantial price improvement at 250 000 units.   

In a nut shell the answer I received from the Staff Member from the Auto Spares Outlet, was such that incremental changes to the dimensions for the Parts enable them to be offered for use as Parts on the vehicles and these are offered heavily discounted as the ??? Motor Company is not part of the supply chain.

Motor Vehicles are Big Business and 'very protected' commercial entities, if this method for supplying exchange parts can happen in that commercial environment, the subject of different suppliers Styli possibly being Duplicates of an earlier produced Styli, is about as substantial as discussing if different Match Stick Brands available today are Duplicates of other earlier produced Brands Match Sticks.                    

Dear ''high level humorist'' , ''digression '' about whatever ''subject''

does not mean more clarity. So preconception about ''reference of

an name'' does not warrant identitity of an entity. Certainly not when

producer try to hide the origine of an product. Think of my example

with  ''Glanz'' and '' Astatic''. The inventor ( patent) is Mitachi company

in Japan who invented MF technology while ''Glanz'' and ''Astatic''

suggested their own product . So Raul was convinced that Astatic

made its own cartridges. BTW Van den Hul and Gyger have had

lawsuit about patents. What we are trying to do is provide right

information. We lack the right information about Replicant and

this was my reason to start this thread.

 

In relation to the Replicant 100, all that surrounds this that is not made known to the Consumer, is the Companies IP and this information may never be offered at a level where the source of the information is the undoubted authority on the matter.

Any other speculation is 'here say' and can inaccuracies woven into the descriptions being offered.

As said before the critical dimensions and Tip Shape 'may' be the only safe method to carry out the comparisons between the differing Styli from the Brands referred to, but are these dimensions on offer from all parties about their product ?  

pinda, I suggested to you to start your own thread. I think that you

needless extend our ''subject'' to other subjects which are not

relevant for our questions about Replicant. We are not investigating

Fritz Gyger and the question if ''someone'' produce ''those'' nor are

we investigating ''patent laws'' which imply national legislation

according to ''territorial principle'' ; each country on its own except

Europen  '' bundle patent law'' which apply for each member of the

agreement. You can also not extend American duration of 20 years

to all countries. One need to know Chinese rules about ''intellectual

ownership'' instead to assume that American legislation apply

to China and then accuse China  of ''breaking the patent law'' in general .