Results from Beta Testers of New Formulas

Dear Lugnut: Like Slipknotl, you don't understand anything about.
You have to be more " open mind ": it is the only way to learn in every day life.
Best regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Raul,

I apologize if I offended you BUT you were out of line with your tube comment, IMO. I was really jokingly referring to the situation at hand with my law firm comment. I would like you to understand that I do consider myself having an open mind. Otherwise, I wouldn't be trying Paul's potential product. I fail to see how cleaning a record could be equalizing such. Some products stand in the way of the information and others let allow it to come through. I'll post my findings in an honest fashion. However, I will not insult Paul in the way I do it. I'll probably piss off a lot of people with the following comment but here goes. I get tired of attacks for no good reason. While I'm a current user of RRL products and have no ill will toward any manufacturer of record cleaning products I've not been convinced that the base water is as good as they say. Bottom line is, I don't care. If it sounds better, I'm an owner. Maybe this isn't an anal enough thought process for the superior audiophile but it has served me well for the over 35 years I've been in this hobby. Why don't we just see what the thoughts of the testers are while this thread evolves? Or, is the point of being an Audiogon member just to stir the shit? Sometimes I feel like I'd like to crawl through my DSL line just to see how big some of you audio bullies really are.

I'll put my cable against your DSL any day!

Raul,
Are you suggesting that only the engineer can understand how a recording is supposed to sound? I guess my assumption that the purpose of this hobby was to enjoy the music contained in the grooves rather than fret over whether or not we hear it as the engineer intended, is incorrect. Any component, cable, tweak, setup, etc. imparts it's own sonic signature. Each of us assembles a system based on our own personal listening biases. Ideally, we listen through the sonic signature imparted by the equipment for the heart and soul of the composer's intention not the engineer's. Do we like what we hear? Does the music move us? Or, are we dissatisfied because we are unable to appreciate it because we are unsure that the playback is not like it was the moment it was commited to tape.
Your "point", or your mission is of no importance to me, and I dare say of any of the testers who are posting to this thread. I am not "angry" that I don't understand what you are getting at. What I am angry at is the fact that your post represents nothing short of a troll, with nothing of consequence to add to the context of this thread or it's intent. This thread is about a new formula of cleaner for vinyl, and whether or not the users feel that it works better than or worse than what they are currently using. If your intent is to start some kind of argument, I would suggest you take it over to AA, where there are plenty of paranoid folks who like to fight in the anonymous world of cyberspace. Otherwise, please stick to the subject at hand. If you have no experience with the product we are discussing, you have nothing to add and are therefore irrelevant...
If you do not think this is the case, it is YOU who doesn't understand. The title of the thread says it all.
MY posts to this thread prior to your intrusion dealt with MY perceived impressions of Paul's products, they will also return to my impressions of the product from this point forward.

Paul,

I listened to a record I love earlier this afternoon which has some annoying surface noise yet no apparent reason for it. It has been cleaned previously using two well respected products. I used your products and there is a noticeable improvement. It's not an audiophile pressing and I can't say that anything has improved beyond reduced surface noise but I can say that the music was as detailed as before. So, in this one case I enjoyed a benefit. More cleaning and postings to follow, good or bad. Of course, time will tell, as others have suggested, if your formula degrades the vinyl. If a 12 1/2% solution containing alcohol will degrade vinyl then my entire collection is headed to the trash heap some day because most of the previous solutions I've used contained alcohol. For the record, the EQ remains the same, FWIW, IMO, YMMV, etc.