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Ridiculous assertions that someone is being ripped off or conned

How many times has this scenario played out here? Someone purchases product X, and tries it in their system. They report positive results, that it works as advertised, that they got their money’s worth, that they are happy with the purchase. Then someone, usually having zero experience with the product, replies with something like: “No, you’ve got it all wrong! You’re being ripped off! You’re being conned!


Does anyone else understand how ridiculous and absurd these kinds of assertions are?! The consumer who actually put up their own money and took the time to evaluate the product in their own home/system reports it works as advertised, they are happy with it, that they got their money’s worth. Then someone else claims they were ripped off?!


Imagine an agency investigating consumer fraud getting a complaint like this: “My neighbor is being ripped off!” “No, no, he thinks it’s great, does everything he expected it to. He’s very happy with it, but I just know he’s being conned!” Do you seriously think they’re going to open any kind of investigation into it?


You can disagree with what someone says about the effectiveness of a product all you want, but to say they have been defrauded, when they report the exact opposite, is patently ridiculous.


tommylion
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mapman
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tommylion OP
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“It’s absurd to act like high end audio is some kind of utopia immune to the world’s sins and that what people say about things they buy or perhaps even are given by others to promote (who knows?) are undeniable facts.”

Accusations about people being schills are thrown around willy nilly, but no one ever provides any actual evidence of it. Truth is, most of the time, we really have no way of knowing if someone is being honest or not in a forum post.

Given that, for the sake of communication and dialog, I’m willing to assume you are being honest when you report something, unless I have real evidence otherwise. That doesn’t mean I’m going to make any decisions based solely on what you say. I also wouldn’t expect anyone else to make decisions based solely on what I say. I expect others to investigate, and try, or decide not to try, things for themselves.
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I always tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt initially except for obvious scams. Then let things play out over time and see what happens. The best one can shoot for is to make educated decisions based on facts and yes perhaps even opinions, if there is a common pattern to the opinion and enough facts to back it up.

For example, someone created a thread containing a questionable url in a link on their first post the other day offering information that nobody had asked for. I reported it as an apparent phishing attempt and the thread was quickly removed.

tommylion OP
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“I always tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt initially except for obvious scams. Then let things play out over time and see what happens. The best one can shoot for is to make educated decisions based on facts and yes perhaps even opinions, if there is a common pattern to the opinion and enough facts to back it up.”

I agree, and take a similar approach.

What ticks me off is when someone, disagreeing with what someone else reports, effectively says “You disagree with me, therefore what you’re saying can’t be true. You’re either being deceived, or you are lying.” That is true arrogance.
chayro
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