Seeking more 3d imaging, deeper/wider soundstage

Ding-ding-ding!!! We have a winner!!!

Bo, you have now crossed the threshold from which there is no return. It is now apparent to even the casual observer that you are, in fact, quite rude! It is also obvious that you intended to talk out of your backside when commenting to Atmasphere and now Jafox. Its not important to me that we know why you are stubborn, rude and inflexible, only to publicly call you out on it. Any potential customer of yours should recognize these terminal traits and cautiously proceed with you at their own risk.

There are only a few certainties in this world and among them is the absolute unliklihood that you would ever be considered as a dealer by Atmasphere.

This is getting pathetic. So what that people don't agree on the fine details and specifics. Maybe to a degree what everyone is adding, in their experience, is the truth. I know that there is truth to what everyone has added. An inexpensive system....With the right set up....with the right room treatment....playing the right source .....can image like just fine. I could put together a sub $2000 system that could do that. I would have to by thrifty and used.....but I could also spend mega dollars and have that system for lunch in the imaging department...As long as set up, room and source was maximized. Control these 3 variables and you can get more with wise equipment choices and more money....but there does come a point of diminishing returns.

Everyone has what they believe to be the best advice. So be it. My point with source was made....not too many people seemed to care much about that and continued to make recommendations without asking the op what specifically he listens to, e.g. name 10 of your most frequently played albums. You might find that we are trying to turn grape juice into wine....or maybe not.

In any regard, lighten up...let folks speak their minds or defend their own point. Don't take it so personally that someone's wording and opinion is not of your liking. There are many shades of grey. This is a hobby and should not degenerate into such pettiness.

Realremo - If you have the time, something else to experiment with would be
moving the speakers closer together...on the order of 5-6 ft. center to center.
[Haven't tried to do the math on your room relative to latest recommendations
on distance to sidewalls - these might already get them in the range of 5-6 ft
center to center. For Totem Forests, moving them closer together made a HUGE
difference. Much better bass response, center fill, imaging and resolution. I
realize all speakers will not respond the same but seems like it might be worth
trying if current placement is otherwise.

Edit to post...I've been following this thread but missed Geoffkait's 7-10
recommendation. I agree with him about trying speakers closer together.
Soundstage won't necessarily shrink as you might find the stage to extend well
beyond the outside edge of each speaker. Good luck.

One thing that has been bugging me about this thread seems worth pursuing. Realremo- have you tried revearsing the phase on one of your speakers?

If you have the speakers out of phase (which can happen for a variety of reasons) the imaging information will seem confused, and a lot of it might seem to sit in the speakers.

If this has not been tried it might be worth a test to see if this is an issue. If its not, then I would be satisfied that its time for the pursuit of equipment known for better imaging/depth.

Audio is all about properties. Togheter they make the stage
including the acoustics.

You use a MF converter. MF also gives a wide and sharp
focus. But is still limited in depth. This is a property it
owns. I sold MF for a long time. I also gave MF shows for
the distributer in my country.

You say: I have a wide stage, but not a lot of depth.

Rotel has similar properties in stage like MF. It is a
little less sharp compared to MF, almost no depth.

The Quad L series do not use the best crossovers to give you
a lot of depth compared to other brands who can in this
price tag.

To get a good deep stage, you need more parts to realize
it.