Seperates or Receiver on a Budget


I have a question which has probably been asked to death, but since I am new here...maybe you can help or point me to an answer. I am building a HT in my basement and the room will be approx 11x23x7.5 I just purchased some Definitive 2000TL's (floor models) for a steal, and wanted them since I have the PM100's and the PF1500TL sub and love the sound of the Definitives for the money....but I am tell you this for background, not to start a thread on speakers:)

My question is, if I only have $2000-2500(MAX) budgeted for a new receiver, do I start my seperates, try a hybrid or wait until I have more funds available (if that every happens). I was thinking I could go with the Yamaha 2400 receiver and bypass the amps and get started with a Marantz MM9000 amp since I have heard good things about that amp for the $$$. OR I could just look at a receiver like the Yamaha Z1 or Denon AVR4802. What would you suggest...keep in mind if you don't already know, the def techs fronts (2000TL's) center (CLR2500) as well as my sub (PF1500TL) all have powered subs, so the amps won't be used to drive the bass.
jasplat88
Sean is not so far fetched in his post. Really, at that budget, you should do separates, hands down. Even the mighty Denon 5803 and smiliar aren't as good as good separates. And, yes, the amp sections are the largest part. But dynamics, signal to noise, and overall purity suffer in the preamp section there as well.
Also, the gear your mentioning is not that special really! I know, I sell it. IT's "OK" stuff, but with athat budget, you could do much much better. The Yam 2400 is farily plain sounding, especially when you use the parametric EQ inside. The Marantz amp also, just ok.
I'm exteremely familiar with those 2000tl's and center/sub. I've sold them for several years now.
If you're looking used, the Parasound amps gererally do very well i balancing the sound of the Def's! A used HCA1206 or 1205 would suffice just fine, and compliment the sound. Def's are usually a bit cool and slightly hollow sounding (kinda like Yamaha receivers in general), if a bit tipped up(although your 2000t's are better balanced than others in that line) and grainy in the trebble. The Parasound is a bit warm boddied,and forgiving on top, which mates well with the Def's indeed. Also, more expensive Classe and Aragon amps. But I think you'd like the Parasounds just fine...I've owned/sold all over the years.
For pre/pro's, if your looking for 6.1, the Outlaw is going to be hands down the best deal you'll find! There are more dynamic out there. But for what it offers, for $800 new, it's the deal!!! That said, you couldn't go wrong doing all Outlaw separates, as the amp (100wx7 or 200wx7 will put you under your $2400 pricerange too!.and that's all new!!!!
As for other pre/pro's, depends on what connection options you need. The outlaw at $799 has superb DAC's for digital connections, pure analog bypass for better 2 channel, and lots of nice bass management flexibility options(your center channel should still be set "smaller"!!!!!...even though it's powered!..you'll distort it at high bass levels otherwise).
There are lots of great pre's out there, but sometimes pricy used. About as cheep as you'd find otherwise in 6.1 for quality is the used Classse SSP30, Anthem AVM20, Maybe Sunfire Theater grand II/III, and similar with good sonics for decent used pricing. I think. Hummmmm....
Anyway, my vote for a "no lose" is the Outlaw separates.
I say that, and I've sold Everything imaginable from 6 audio stores over the years! The Outlaws is great value and a good match with your 2000tl's
I would still do separates with a budget of $1k or less - let alone $2k. No question, not an option. Unless you get something that works well together like a NAD receiver and spendor speakers. I lot of it has to do with the amplifier sections.

Plus doesn't it suck to have to REPURCHASE your amplifier sections EACH TIME you upgrade you receiver? I would think that would get cease to be amusing after one or two upgrades.
Agree with everyone above, seperates at your price range. Receivers fall more into the "anything is better than nothing" school of thought. Flexability is key to long range satisfaction and is more cost effective over the long run.

Dave
Thank you for the feedback. I have a few follow-up questions: Again I would say I will be 65/35 HT/Music...and speakerwise the HT will have 3 fronts, 2 sides and 2 rears.

1) Would you suggest using multiple amps to drive the 7 speakers or perhaps look at using---for example 7 Outlaw M-Block's?

2) Do the Pre's mentioned above all up-convert to component? I will be running a Sharpvision projecter and it would be nice to be able to run a single set of component video cables to it?

3) I found a site on the internet selling the B&K Reference 50 Pre NEW for $1549....how would that compare to those mentioned above....although it would take more of my budget up....I imagine me upgrading my amps later on and would prefer to have a better Pre initially.

4) I just bought my Def's 2000's (wife fought me on them cause of $$$)and that is what I will have as far as my speakers go for the next let's say 5-10yrs....based on that I want to spend only where I will get bang for the buck and be able to notice a diference. I kind like the idea of 7 Outlaws with the Outlaw Pre would put me about $3K....can I do better?

5) I will need a rack, but again don't want to spend much on it. I would like something super simple that I can mount INTO the wall with a glass front. Any suggestions on where to look. Ideally I would like to be in the $250-400 range.

6) Can someone explain to me what bass management refers to? I think this is something everyone should know...yet I don't----can you believe I use to be a DJ in college? For you youngins---do you know what Virgin Vinyl is? :)