Should people with no turntable or reel to reel be considered audiophiles?

Again ... the stunning lack of self awareness ... is well ... stunning:

although excluding the ones who wish they had a turntable or can't hear well anymore, or use digital because of convenience (but understand what they are missing out on), I don't consider digital only guys audiophiles. They play files, not music.

Cayenne Turbos are nice and fast I am sure, and if that is the vehicle convenience you need and don't have the space or funds to have a true Porsche,

An audiophile appreciates high quality sound and the never ending pursuit to improve it. I would say if you are not an audiophile, this forum is a waste of your time. Just about everyone's posts seem to be coming from audiophiles.If you don't understand how vinyl is an important part of that, then just listen!

I do believe in the real world and majored in engineering, not math, but certainly had to take lots of math classes. Turntables deliver infinite significant digits of information.  (You certainly didn't major in electrical engineering, or computer engineering, or engineering physics, or ..)

sokogear OP26 posts06-15-2020 10:03pmRobertdid - I asked to stop the personal attacks, but I guess you weren't listening. I agreed with the vast majority and vote Yes, which I think was your vote. Please confirm with one word and leave out the attack.

A PERSONAL attack is one on one...not preferring a format and arguing its virtues.

sokogear,

Try Cayenne Turbo. In particular, try it on twisty roads and fast. You might just be surprised. It, in fact, is some good engineering. Try it out.

What is PCA?

Porsche Club of America. I have driven a Cayenne Turbo and a Macan (they give out loaners when I get service done on my car).

They are very nice and fun for what they are. I like them. I may get a Macan when my wife's lease is up, who knows? Many PCAers have gotten them as second or third (or 4th...) cars and all like them and recommend them if that's what you want/need. 

BTW, the most fun Porsche (not fastest, but pretty damn fast) in the recent past is a Cayman GT4. Unfortunately, I really like sunroofs and won't buy a car without one. And no, I don't like cabs since i don't live in San Diego where you can use it the majority of the time. Don't talk about Targa's - the newer ones are really 1/2 cabs with so many motors that in the future you are sure to have a huge bill to replace one of them.

This is how silly your overall position is, and even bringing Porschephile into the discussion. What exactly does that mean?  Does owning a Porsche and being a member of PCA mean anything other than you have the resources to buy a Porsche (and even then it does not always mean that). Nope. Does it mean you know anything about cars? No. Does it mean you are at all a superior driver? No. Does it mean you know how to handle a high performance vehicle at limit? No. Does it mean you know how to properly drive a car for maximum performance? No. Does it mean you have some meaningful pursuit of "automotive" nirvana whatever that is ... no again. Just means you could afford to purchase one.

Used to be really into cars, more consumed by other things these days. In the "crowd" I ran with, unless you had built some aspect of your car, had probably completed a few racing courses, and had actually raced, your were just a "poser". You could tell the type, they would show up on track day, sign their waver, get checked out, visibly "sneer" at the "lesser" humans, then proceed to tear up a lot more dirt than lap times, always coming off the track swearing and blaming this or that, but never their own lack of ability. I have driven racing go-karts that would scare the crap out of most "Porschephiles".

Saying you can't be a "real" audiophile unless you own a turntable or reel-reel is about as valid as claiming "Porschephile" has any useful meaning within the automotive world. I consider a kid with a budget amp and set of speakers who uses his phone as a source, but who takes the time and makes the effort to learn something about acoustics, speaker placement, room treatments, room correction, and the science of audio, a heck of a lot more an "Audiophile", than someone who would attempt to exclude people from "the club" based purely based on their own likes for sources.

Porsche Club of America has 130 000 members? That is more people than some countries.

Total in the world is only 230 000 members.
(http://www.porsche-club-deutschland.de/Mitgliedschaft/index.htm)

On the other hand, AARP has 38 000 000 which is 1.5 times more than a whole continent.