Small room electrostat/ planar speaker?


In about 30 days will be moving to a new home where its going to be hard to make my 1.7 maggies work in a spouse friendly way ( the only large room is the main living room). I've always gravitated to planars and electrostatics, box speakers that don't sound colored or slow usually cost more than my entire system. Where I'd like to end up is a system that's extremely resolving at low to moderate volume levels, my main dissatisfaction with my current Mg 1.7 speakers and Prima Luna amp is that it really doesn't come to life until the volume is moderate listening levels or higher.

I'm wondering if anyone has seen something that approaches the coherency and speed of the 1.7s that would work in an 11x12 listening room? I'd like to keep the cost limited to $4k if possible.
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Well the ET’s in my experience sounded best with about 3 feet or more behind back of the panel. They do not need an overly dead sounding room to sound good in my experience. Even though they don’t have a very wide horizontal dispersion compared to dome driven speakers. I felt the side walls played a part in channel balance. So if you will need to be careful with that. The way I combated that was, a lot of toe-in.

Also they sound amazing playing Moving Pictures by Rush. Geddy’s bass lines sound so good.

@yyzsantabarbara , I, like aniwolfe, toe-in the LFT-8b’s a lot, aiming them right at the listening position. That positioning is normal to me, as my main speakers for years were the original Quad ESL’s. Severe toe-in minimizes the amount of side wall reflections, which is important in a small room. You want all sounds except those from the front of the speaker reaching your ears delayed in time (relative to the direct sound) 10ms or more. That is the amount of time our ear/brain mechanism requires for two sounds to be perceived as separate events. Anything less than 10ms, and the delayed sound is perceived as a smearing of the direct sound, rather than ambiance.

The 3’ that aniwolfe recommends as the minimum distance the ET’s should be from the wall behind them is the common wisdom for all dipole speakers, not just the ET’s. 5’ is even better, if the room allows it. The reason for that is the 10ms figure; with a planar positioned 5’ from the wall behind it, the speaker’s rear wave takes 5ms to reach that wall (sound travels at approximately 1’ per ms) and be reflected off it, another 5ms to arrive back at the speaker. That rear/reflected sound is now delayed in time 10ms behind the same signal from the front of the speaker. Your ears hear the direct sound from the front of the ET’s, and then the rear wave 10ms later---mission accomplished! This is an over-simplification, as when the panels are not parallel to the wall behind them the rear wave will be reflected off first the sidewall behind the speaker, then the rear wall, then perhaps the opposite side wall, finally reaching the listening position. Some people like diffusion behind dipole/planar speakers, others absorption. A bright room will benefit from absorption, a dull one with diffusion.

The LS50 is good for small rooms because of it’s coaxial driver; separate midrange drivers and tweeters need a certain amount of distance to "congeal" by the time their sound reaches the listener, but the coax driver in the LS50 doesn’t. One benefit of the unusually wide bandwidth of the ET’s LFT midrange driver (180Hz to 10kHz!) is the same as that of a coax---one driver and no crossover for the entire midrange (and more). Yes, a coax is really two drivers, but those drivers in many ways behave as one. The LFT-8b is 5’ tall, but only 13" wide. It doesn’t overpower a small room the way larger planars do (none more so than the 3-panel Magneplanar Tympani, which is 4’ wide!). For very small rooms, ET offers the LFT-16a, a monitor-size speaker containing the LFT driver, a ribbon tweeter, and dynamic woofer.

One criticism of the original LFT-8 was it’s high frequency output, which was somewhat lower than many other speakers. The LFT has a 3-position tweeter hookup provision, which allows the tweeter’s output level to be selected. Some listeners thought that even at the highest setting, the LFT-8’s tweeter output was too low. Bruce Thigpen made a change to his ribbon tweeter, it’s location of the speaker’s baffle, and the speaker’s x/o. The change resulted in a new model designation, the LFT-8a. The only other change to the LFT in it’s entire history was to a better low frequency driver---an 8" dynamic woofer in a sealed enclosure. That resulted in the only other model designation change to the speaker, to the current LFT-8b.

The LFT-8b has a nominal impedance of 8 ohms, but the LFT driver/ribbon tweeter combo presents an 11 ohm load to the power amp. The speaker has dual binding posts, one for the panels (LFT driver and ribbon tweeter), the other for the woofer. The panel’s 11 ohm load makes it much more tube-friendly than the other magnetic-planar loudspeaker---the Magneplanar, of course. The LFT-8b is not "ruthlessly revealing" (a euphemism for bright/forward), so can be paired with a good solid state amp. Because of the dual binding posts, if one chooses to do so the speaker can be run with a tube amp on the m/t panel, a solid state on the woofer. That makes possible the use of a pair of moderately-powered amps, but if one wants to use a single amp, a good hundred watter should be sufficient for all but the largest rooms. The same can not be said of Maggies (I’ve owned four pair of them, including the Tympani-IVa’s I currently own), which can use as much power as you throw at them.

Thanks guys for the great info. I called a local dealer this afternoon in Los Angeles that carries the E.T. but they do not have it in the demo rooms. It is not a big seller for them and they like to show Magico's.

If my next room is close to accommodating the E.T's I will get it. This speaker sounds like one that I can listen at low to mid volumes for the whole day while I work. I also want to try to get something other than a dynamic speaker design since I will have a living room speaker like that.

@yyzsantabarbara , I'm going to guess your call was to Brooks Berdan Ltd. It was Brooks who turned me on to the ET's, and his widow Sheila, who now runs the business, from whom I bought my pair. The stands Sound Anchors makes for the LFT-8's are well worth their modest cost (a couple hundred bucks).

You're correct in thinking the speaker is one that can be listened to at moderate spl. Maggies need to be cranked up a bit more to "open up". 

I'd be much more interested in these speakers if I could use my active crossover with 100 Hz high pass and low pass boards with them. I would send the high pass signal through my tube amp to the panel of the LFT-8b, then the low pass through my solid state amp to my own woofer array. Thus by-passing the LFT-8b bass driver.

On another note, I think the true test of any panel speaker is to be able to play extremely well at low volume.