So sub or not to sub

I run B&W 804S full-range and two Rythmik 12" subs from line level signal. I used to have a REL Storm III. The 804 + REL sounded better than 804 alone. The setup with the two Rythmiks sounds a lot better than with the REL.

The key is setup: multiple bass sources provide a smoother bass response. Google Dr. Earl Geddes and his theory and multiple setup approach. Very useful!
The Rythmiks provide a level of tuning the REL just does not provide.
Another key is using measurement software (I use REW) and a measurement mic to test multiple room responses from different sub locations, crossover frequencies, gain, phase, etc. Each sub has it's own tuning, so not a trivial task if you plan on evaluating by listening only.

All in all, in my book subs are a must have. Still wondering about hi-passing the speakers so to avoid having them and the speaker amp reproduce the lowest end they really aren't suited for handling (I use tube amp). On the other hand, two additional bass sources smooth out the response further. I guess we get to pick our poison.

Cheers!

ftoole@harmon.com

Sounds like an excellent resource, full of passion and knowledge. I don't have too much of a bass issue but i'm sure he can help.

You have to move the sub around to get it right...walls and corners can be your friend in what you hear at your listening spot, and a single sub works in MY room because I'm lucky. Dr. Earl Geddes claims (more or less) that one's taste (or opinion on bass quality) needs to be ignored until supported by test data. This is why I don't have him over anymore. That, and he keeps staring at Shirley. In the time it takes to read through white papers and well thought out science backed opinion, you could have moved your sub around a little, adjusted its level, and started having fun.

I tested many Velodyne's for stereo use. To be honnest I did not find them fast enough. The same about the older Rel subwoofers. In the past I sold many rel subwoofers. In the last few years I lend many old customers Monitor Audio subwoofers. They all sols there Rel subwoofer. Because they all went for the much better integration caused of the better response. I would take soem time to test some different subwoofers. And you will hear which one matches best. Room acoustic systems work often good for subwoofers. You get less acoustic problems. Audyssey Pro gives you one of the best integration for subwoofers. Or even the best level in what I call 'stealth' integration. Goodluck!