Starting an Analog front end - Rowland?

One more note re: Rhea and noise. Early production Rheas (like mine) often developed noise problems in short order. I live near Aesthetix, so I brought my unit over and Jim White fitted it to match (then) current production Rhea units, the design of which had already been modified to address the noise issue. Moral: If you're seeking a used Rhea, try to get the serial # and run it by Jim. This will help avoid noise problems.

Marty

PS - My Rhea is not as quiet as the best SS units, but it's close awfully close, and certainly close enough for me. In all other respects, it is superb.

Far from declaring that Capri is 'better' than any pre out there, I do confess of having developed a personal preference for Capri over my own Ref 3 for reasons I have discussed elsewhere already to some nauseating detail. Not having had personal experience with vintage JRDG pres, I can only suggest that concerned audiophiles try things out by letting their ears do the walking, and post their actual a/b findings, rather than drawing conclusions a priori one way or another, based on component count, box weight, and list price.

Having said the above, I am not sure if there is a 'bad' way to insert a JRDG pre/phono combination into a system. It all depends on one's budget, priorities, and preferences. Let's consider a couple of options:

1. Capri + internal phono cards. This is obviously the most cost effective starter solution, as the phono stage cards retail for only $350 for the pair. The entire package new will cost no more than $3100 in black. This is also a good way to baseline the value of the insertion of the pre/phono in the system. Later adoption of an external phono stage, be it JRDG or other brand will entail a probable loss of $150 for the sale of the little phono cards on the used market at about $200.

2. Criterion is purely a linestage without internal phono board option. I have only some very preliminary indications that Criterion may sound more fleshed out than Capri. . .I had a very quick a/b that lasted no more than 10 mins. . . Capri was fresh out of the box and Criterion had no more than 100 hrs on it. Unfortunately there is no current JRDG phono stage, so a phono stage would need to be selected from a vintage JRDG or from a third party at the onset. Criterion will cost about $18K + cost of any phono stage.

3. A purely vintage JRDG solution is likely to cost somewhere between option 1 and 2. You may be experiencing a warmer sound than the current JRDG product lineup. . . but this is based mostly on common lore and 3rd party reports. . . the only personal corroboration I have is from my own transition from JRDG 7M mono amps to 312 stereo.

Hope this helps. Guido

Thanks Guido and all for the responses. I really appreciate it. I, like several others I'm sure, are looking for tube like quality from effort-free solid state gear.

I think going Rowland is probably the way to go for me. Unfortunately, like most of us, its difficult to A/B gear for comparison. That is why I appreciate this forum so much and its helpful community.

Unfortunately, the Criterion is out of my price league, but would love to have one! Looks like a Synergy IIi, if I can find a mint one with one owner and a Cadence phone might be the way to go. Also a Capri or Concerto with a Cadence phone and optional power supply.

Thanks again and any further input or opinions are very welcome!

Phil

Hi Phil, according to Jeff Rowland, his older pres are a little warmer sounding. By contrast the Capri is a little more extended and linear throughout the frequency range than the older models. Feel free to send me a PM. Guido

Guido: I had a well broken in Capri in my system for a week, driving either my darTZeel or my VAC Renaissance 70/70 Mk. III. In no performance parameter did it equal or best my Coherence II. As for why my post did not mention this, I was trying to convey my findings in a slightly more genteel way, by pointing out that a preamp priced at $14,500 ten years ago would best something from today priced at $3k.

Speaking of component comparisons, I enjoyed your review in the Absolute Sound of the Vienna Acoustics Mahlers, a speaker I owned for six years, but thought it curious that there wasn't a word in the review to indicate you were reviewing a new version of the speaker ("V1.5"), and likewise not a word comparing the new version, which costs nearly $3k more than the old, to the old version. The mystery is compounded by the fact that V.A.'s site does not mention the new version at all, while the site of the U.S. distributor, Sumiko, shows only the new version, but uses the ad copy for the old - again, not a word about what the buyer is getting for the additional $3k. As you note, comparisons are helpful.