Subwoofer

And yess all products are not perfect. But only when you are aware of all the properties ( d.n.a. of a tool) it owns you could be able to use them.

When I ask to people; tell me the properties of the product you own or sell? They can’t answer it. This means that you will never understand what you are doing.

When I asked a few people who work in audio for a long time and who sell highend about properties they couldn’t tell.

When I asked them but tell me then how the sound and stage is build, they could not tell. So they said: I guess you are right that this way it is difficult to control the sound.

So I said: it is not about the fact if I am right. You need to understand that the way you use audio never will work that well.

Bo1972's assumption that audiogon posters somehow miss the boat on great sounding audio due to lacking his 6 years of sales experience, combined with his inability to respond to posts from far more sophisticated audiophiles (many exhibiting near zen-like patience with his drivel, unlike myself) pretty much says it all. Bo…your posts continue to make you seem utterly clueless…Bo…really…you may need professional help…I might know a therapist in the Netherlands I can recommend…Bo...

It is our crying Woolfy again. I guess you still use your "old' Rel 150 subwoofer.

 In audio the most convincing sound always will win. It is not 6 years, but 18 years of sales experience. The biggest difference compared to all my collegues is that I have done a lot a research in those 18 years of time. And still do. Most people who work in audio seldom do any research in audio.

You can put me down on record saying REL and MJ acoustics do very competent subs. The relevant point of cone break up was brought up. That can be one of paper's disadvantages if your like me and push your systems too hard at times. This is another reason multiple subs are a good idea, not only with paper. Not only will multiples make it easier to obtain fuller bass and a flatter response but you wont have to push two quite as hard to get closer to desired DB levels. There are usually compromises everywhere. As with EQ'ed sealed boxes and box ring. Yet another reason to have multiple subs in your set up. The more the merrier. I switched things around a little bit this morning and connected my two JBL subs, they can take a little more abuse. Come to think of it, those happen to have paper cones too. Coincidence, probably not ;).        

I don't think a decent subwoofer is ever too slow. Perhaps what people are hearing is a maladjustment (x-over or sub volume set too high) or simply improper sub placement.

I won't even run my desktop system without a sub because even though I paid 1k for those stand-mounts, pure, deep lows that I can feel (ever heard live music?) are not in their wheelhouse.