Subwoofer

I really try to stay out of threads.  But this one borders on the ridiculous.

Bo1972 said:

"Most subwoofers are too slow..."

"I can guarantee you 100% that this is inferior compared to using a subwoofer till 120hz."

Wow!  This is so wrong on so many counts. And it calls into question any claims of superior knowledge and the benefits of experience as well.

Best,

Jim Smith

It is a fact that subwoofers give a superior level of qualtity and integration whrn used till 120hz.

But most subwoofers are not able to be used till 120hz. And this is a fact as well. 

I have proven this many times and you are welcome for a shootout to listen it yourself.

120 hz looks to be about the average crossover cut off point on many commercial subs. They are capable but you will create unwanted over lap and have problems integrating them. At least that has been my experience. When subs are set too high for the mains they stand out as less of a seamless integration. Especially true while using full size floor standers capable of going a lot lower.

In the past we only sold Rel subwoofers. We never went further than about 50hz-60hz.

Based on surround we went to 80hz. I never thought about using it further than that. Until a client of mine phoned me in 2012. He read about an article about using subwoofers till 120hz.

Before I tested it I said that I thought that it could make a possitive difference. After my tests I knew.

These days all subwoofers I sell I use till 120hz of sometimes even 140hz. Even in stereo use I have proven that it makes a huge improvement.

These days I use the best professional lasers to work at mm. precision and professional roomcorrection. Without these tools you cannot work precise enought to use it till 120hz.

Beside this you need subwoofers who use ceramic/aluminium drivers.

When you can measure the subwoofer with the speakers togheter you can create a much better timing.

received my Monitor Audio PL500s and can honestly say, I don't need a sub. I'm really happy that I sold my subs. This is my first "full range" speaker and right out of the box it sounds very good. I've posted a picture under virtual systems and will make further comments once they break-in.