@navyachts You got it! Keep us posted please
Subwoofers - Final Thoughts with Martin Logan ESL 13A
I’ve narrowed this down to 3 choices (I think) and was looking to see if anyone has had some experience with pairing these subs with ML ESLs? I can’t try and return because they are mostly secondhand purchases, so hoping to get it right the first time!
Force Cancelling subs have been highly recommended, so:
KEF KC92 (or KF92 older model) 2, 3 or possible 4 of these:
https://assets.kef.com/product-support/kc92-subwoofer/KC92_info_sheet_EN_V4_20240124.pdf
Martin Logan BalancedForced 210 - Maybe the best as they match up nicely, but I could probably only do one of these as they are HUGE. I have only one spot I could put one as far as the manual's recommendation goes. Martin Logan says these will cover 3000 sq. ft. My room is only 500 sq. ft. Two maybe overkill, but some say, "2 subs or no subs" Maybe I could put another addition on the house :-(
https://www.martinlogan.com/en/product/balancedforce-210 - click on Specs/Lit
Lastly, The Swarm Subwoofer System - not sure how well this would work with my ESLs.
https://www.audiokinesis.com/the-swarm-subwoofer-system-1.html
Any advice would greatly be appreciated (as usual).
Thanks, and all the best of the season to you all!
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Dear @audphile1 : Overall agree with you however there is one issue where almost does not matters the room/system you own and this is the IMD developed by speaker woofers if the speaker passive internal crossover is high as in the ML or your Sabrina. Wilson is no exception to that IMD.
Now: " Turn up the bass level knob in the back of the ML woofer cabinets. "
If @navyachts makes that then the IMD will goes higher and higher, IMHO it's not the " solution ". There is no way to lower that ML woofers IMD.
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Dear @ricred1 : In this link and in any REL information you can’t find out which is the 31/32 THD that is essentially a meaning of the true quality subwoofer performance levels. If you have information about then please share with us:
No.32-One-Sheet-August-17-Vfinal.pdf
In the REL manual we can read the main target of REL subwoofers: " A REL is designed to augment the performance of " full range " speaker systems in order to provide linear response below 15 hz. " There is no information which kind of " linear " response below 15 hz ¡ ¡ ¡ ? ? ? when it says in the specs that is down 15 hz with a -6db deviation. That has no sense. That " augment " means that the " full range " speakers " continue to play " full range " with high MD and now you have two bass sources playing together from 90hz and belows it ¡ ¡ ¡ ¡ ¡ Terrible for say the least and then you pay over 10K for one Rel unit.
I respect all your opinions but as mine is only an opinion that IMHO is full of misunderstood in this particular subject and REL specifically.
Btw @tablejockey " swarm ( 4 or more subs in the room ) function as the Harman link posted in this thread shows only to even the low bass response all over the room ( if you have only one seat position and cares only about your seat position you don’t need more than 2 subs as confirmed the Harman link. ) and it does not look for bass quality response and/or the quality response of the main speakers and its woofers developed IMD: swarm just does not helps about. Get it? and yes I can be wrong but this is my whole take rigth now .
Thismis the link: Microsoft Word - whitepaper10.doc
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ricred1, you are the only staunch sub user I can recall who prefers a -6dB sub-bass speaker to the -3dB subwoofers you've owned. Could you describe where you positioned those subwoofers in your room? |
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