Is there less harshness with the CDs? If so, look at the cartridge first. If not then concentrate on the speakers.
Synergy problem
Hi, Audiogoners
Well, I’ve learned a lot from reading these discussions that you guys have on this forum, so thanks.
Now I have some questions regarding my own system, because it’s not quite where I need it to be. I need to switch out some components, and any advice would be greatly appreciated.
My set up:
TT: Rega Planar 2, RB300 arm
Cart: Rega Bias 2
CD: Rega Planet
Preamp: ARC SP-6c
Amp: ARC D-90
Speakers: Klipsch Forte I
(w/ Crites aftermarket crossover and tweeters)
ICs are audioquest entry level
Speaker cable is monster
Headphones: Senn HD600
HP amp: Schiit Asgard
The room is a bit challenging: open-plan loft, 16’ x 32’. The listening area is at one end, and is about 14 x 14. There are a lot of huge glass windows to contend with, and ceilings are 10’ high. Wood floors. Area rug in the listening area. The speakers-to-listener triangle is equilateral, 10’ per side. Speakers placed on short wall, and I can go up to 2’ from behind speakers to wall.
My audio signature preferences are toward musicality, a bit smoother (hence the tubes), I don’t need the last word in hyper-detail. I don’t play at crushingly loud levels.
I listen to everything – Stockhausen, post-punk, psych, Monk, Brahms. Mostly vinyl, some CDs.
1. These speakers are not cutting it. While the dynamics are good and they rock, the upper-mids are shouty and glaring. On some recordings the treble is a bit harsh. With complex passages in for example orchestral recordings, they seem to get confused. Not sure why – maybe they don’t suit the room? People seem to love these speakers but they’re not working in my system. (The above problems are lessened when I hear playback through my headphones, btw)
2. The cartridge is not great. It also is not well matched with the preamp. The preamp phono stage wants a cart with an output of around 3 mV. My current cart is 6 mV. Oops!
So, my questions are:
Speakers: Looking to spend maybe $1500, and leaning towards pre-owned. They need to be non-fussy with room location. They can’t be huge (maggies are out) or look strange (Martin Logans, out) due to WAF. Would ProAc towers work well in my set up? Maybe 2.5s or 3.8s, or Studio 140, etc. Or something comparable?
Cartridge: $500 or less. Maybe I get a high output MC – Sumiko Blue Point (2.5 mV), Ortofon MC3 (3.3mV). On paper those match well with the SP-6.
Unfortunately, there’s just no way for me to hear these things together, and of course synergy is crucial. This is especially true with assembling vintage gear – there’s no auditioning any of it. So I’d be grateful if anyone in this forum might share their experience and help me going forward. Thanks in advance!!
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It will largely depend on how close you sit to the speakers and room interactions. You won't get much bass below 50Hz with stand mounts in that room, but the potential tradeoff is better imaging, improved midrange, and lack of bass bloat. You can eventually add a decent sub to fill in the low octaves is space permits. ProAc towers are probably great for your situation and you might be lucky enough to find a pair for that price. Consider used Spendor, Totem, and Ascend Acoustics towers as well. All will have a different tonal flavor but should have great midrange. |
Okay floor standing models for sure then. The seat-to-speakers triangle is 10' per side. I'd like to have speakers that don't demand the listener sit only in the one sweet spot. I know this means some compromise in the imaging and other aspects of sq, but I accept that. They have to sound good from various spots in the room if possible. Am I right to believe that these requirements suggest towers in the ProAc, Totem, Ascend school? (btw, I find my Fortes to be pretty seating position specific with regards to upper mids and above. Apparently the horn technology is very directional?) |
Here are some speakers that would work well in your setup:https://www.audiogon.com/listings/full-range-smaller-version-of-double-impact-2017-12-29-speakers They would be an improvement over what you have. |
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