Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Oh well I guess our meeting is off  and now back to making things great again.  Easy come, easy go.  Cheers!
Sometimes the "listenign comparison" mantra is pushed a bit too far. I was flabbergasted to see a 250+ thread in audiogon on whether or not someone can hear the difference in sound quality when interchanging two cat6-certified internet cables.
Ok, I get some of the thinking behind these pressures, rooms, etc. I am not sure I am fully sold on it, but have never tried anything but a plain system made up of a few not-too-fancy components. I did notice that room made a major difference. I will leave it at that, being a bit suspicious and, at the same time, leaving door open that room pressure 360 and the rest is all really true.

However, I am wondering how, for the purpose of this thread, we define poor recordings. Not "poor", but "recordings". Maybe the word "recordings" is used incorrectly.

I will have to assume, and correct me if I am wrong, that Rolling Stones recorded one Some Girls album as the music seems to be exactly the same on whatever sound carrier I listen to. I mean, it is the same music, not the different version maybe recorded minutes earlier or later. However, CD from some early days, let's say end of 1980s or maybe 1990, is clearly much different-sounding than an LP from about 2008. On the same system in the same room. So I would guess it is not only in the room and crappy source material must exist, too. Should we clarify what we consider "recordings" in this thread?
By the way, I would like to remind everybody that all of us here, me included, have way too much free time. I have not fully read the last few posts, but once the thread arguing about existentially-unimportant minutia of poor recordings vs. room pressure, etc. has Kim Jong Un, Planck, Einstein, and what not, in it, it is time to get up and do some actual work.
From the Dynamic Range Database, check out the wide variation in just one parameter, Dynamic Range, for the various releases and formats of the same Some Girls recording. This obviously doesn’t address variations in resolution or possible variations in Absolute Polarity, or skill in remastering,

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=Rolling+Stones+&album=Some+girls