Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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@glupson - Breaking News!! Laminar in listening rooms!

But first allow me to say laminar flow can be produced either by an aircraft moving through still air or by air moving around or into solid objects like walls. The air is moving because the speakers are producing acoustic waves, I.e., moving air. It’s the relative motion. In a wind tunnel, where laminar and turbulent flow can be studied, the model of the aircraft is stationary and the air is moving, no?

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there were no ninety degree angles to conflict with the laminar flow and movement of energy?

the room reduces or eliminates surface first reflection points?

the design could eliminate corner loading effects from all ninety degree intersections further managing detrimental acoustic energies?

the room was avoid of implemented acoustic traps or panels in order to "correct, modify or dictate and change" to the natural flows of energies and sound?

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I was interested in what Mr. Green had to say initially but now that GK has become his spokesperson all interest lost.
Is that your “engineer’s” side of your head talking, moopman? We were having a nice physics discussion here until you showed up with trash. Why is it every time you open your mouth garbage comes out? 🤮 Don’t you ever have anything relevant to the discussion to offer? Is that big 🧠 of yours depleted? Have you completely run out of ammo? It’s not as if I mind stalkers, but I would prefer ones who contribute something, even if it’s some pseudo skeptic argument.
I’m just being straightforward. The trash is flowing out of your mouth not mine GK as anyone can plainly see for themselves.  I’m interested in what Mr. Green has to say here not you.
Are you off your meds, moopman? What’s up with you recently? Inferiority complex issues? You’re just being straightforward? Lots of laughs! 😂