Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Drewster88

Hallelujah and Amen to that brother! Bring on the tunes. Let us have church in this house.

and Prof, just saw your post

Couldn't be happier for you. Have a great day with your son and music!

Audiophiles should never be content or complacent. Only cows should be content. 🐄 besides how can you be walking when you’re sitting there in the comfort of your Barco Lounger?
BTW, I felt no need at all to re-tune my system per song or album. It sounds quite wonderful and satisfying to me on almost everything I listen to.

I guess we who are extremely happy with our systems have moved "beyond tuning" to a state of satisfaction that tuners haven’t arrived at. (Because they feel the need to keep changing the sound of their system to make different recordings sound the way they want).

Perhaps Tuners will get there someday.

Completely agree Prof!

Sometimes I feel we all lose sight of the endgame at times, I know I am as guilty of that as anybody.
Not saying we should all be content or complacent but maybe the obsessive desires to endlessly tweak can detract from the very reason of our hobby.
And that to me  is just listening to and enjoying the music!

Cheers!

MG. tuning is basically a distinct continuous and very active approach to hifi. If that's what makes one happy more power to ya. That’s how hobbies work.
uberwaltz,

To some, tweaking/tuning is the hobby, not a distraction on the way to bliss. Many seem to think of it as a waste of time and energy, but some like it so there should be nothing wrong with them having their LEGOs. If one wants to hang chicken bones, the other putting dominoes under amplifiers, third one demagnetizing plastic, fourth one disassembling an expensive piece of equipment to move the musicians in the room, so what.

Silly thing is that those who are not that interested in doing such things are annoyed by those who do while those who do such things seem to think they are something much better than those who cannot care less about chicken bones, etc. That is messed up.