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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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Hi Readers

I apologize for my former employee’s business partner. I have no clue why both he and Bobby are doing what they are here and with so much venom. As has been covered and now repeated for the how many times, Robert of Starsound worked for me for 9 months 20 some years ago and now distributes a line of cones I once got noticed as I introduced the Audiopoint to HEA. I know boring right? The MTD replaced the Audiopoint and life goes on and so on · and so forth · and so on and so forth · and the rest · and/or the like · and/or suchlike · and/or more of the same · and/or similar things. lol

But

But it is kind of cool that Michael Green Audio and/or RoomTune has been at the HEA Shows every year since 1989-present. That is pretty cool isn’t it! The fact that other designers and stores have trusted the designs for that long. Kinda neat.

Thank you Tom for "just asking". And thank you for all the advertising your doing for me.

Michael Green

PS: holy smokes 34,000 views on this thread so far!

glupson
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"When was the last time your products were used at a show?"
How does one get his products in the show? Is it by applying, being at least remotely relevant to the topic of the show (audio reproduction in this case), and paying the fee? Is there more to it?
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geoffkait
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What about this? What about that? Nice one, glubson! 
glupson
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Michael Green,

I have been thinking about your recent post and HEA paradigm you mentioned and so on. I am a bit slow so I am still simmering my thoughts about it. Kind of like a slow cooker.

I think you recently mentioned that current HEA is full of "over-engineered" products, or something to that effect. If I remembered those words right, what do you mean by that? Not necessarily the brand and model number, but what would be a general sign/idea of an overengineered product?
glupson
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geoffkait,

Do not get too upset. My questions are, in general, not addressed to you. So far, you have shown that you do not answer questions. You just babble your way as if nobody else exists. At least as if nobody else exists except for you to try to make fun of them or insult them. Bad boy. If a boy at all.
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