The mistake armchair speaker snobs make too often


Recently read the comments, briefly, on the Stereophile review of a very interesting speaker. I say it’s interesting because the designers put together two brands I really like together: Mundorf and Scanspeak. I use the same brands in my living room and love the results.

Unfortunately, using off-the-shelf drivers, no matter how well performing, immediately gets arm chair speaker critics, who can’t actually build speakers themselves, and wouldn’t like it if they could, trying to evaluate the speaker based on parts.

First, these critics are 100% never actually going to make a pair of speakers. They only buy name brands. Next, they don’t get how expensive it is to run a retail business.

A speaker maker has to sell a pair of speakers for at least 10x what the drivers cost. I’m sorry but the math of getting a speaker out the door, and getting a retailer to make space for it, plus service overhead, yada yada, means you simply cannot sell a speaker for parts cost. Same for everything on earth.

The last mistake, and this is a doozy, is that the same critics who insist on only custom, in-house drivers, are paying for even cheaper drivers!

I hope you are all sitting down, but big speaker brand names who make their drivers 100% in house sell the speakers for 20x or more of the actual driver cost.

Why do these same speaker snobs keep their mouth shut about name brands but try to take apart small time, efficient builders? Because they can.  The biggest advantage that in-house drivers gives you is that the riff raft ( this is a joke on an old A'gon post which misspelled riff raff) stays silent.  If you are sitting there pricing speakers out on parts cost, shut up and build something, then go sell it.

erik_squires

@phusis

Btw. right now listening to Sinatra’s ’My Way,’ and you’d think his songs were meant to be reproduced by large format horns and drivers :)

Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin owned 3 Paragons EACH to listen to their own Master Tapes. Since a Single Paragon is Stereo, they had to be using a Paragon as a single speaker instead of stereo (effectively 6 speakers systems in 3 cabinets.

@erik_squires

I don’t think everything JBL ever did was outstanding

The reviews on the JBL 305 Studio monitors are fantastic, they were too bright for my taste. I got the passive version, the Studio 230, that was also based on the trickle down tech from the M2. You can’t compare the amp in the 305 with $$$ of the Bob Carver electronics and Mapleshade cables I drive these with on my desktop, they just opened up like a flower, (uh oh, did I just become an armchair snob)😯

I'm not sure who you're talking about but I had bad luck with using Mundorf Supreme Caps in a design.  I actually talked to Danny Ritchie and he confirmed that the Mundorfs were a poor choice also.  Of course, he recommended Sonic Caps, so I called Sonic Cap and spoke to a designer at Sonic Cap.  He also confirmed what Danny said, but added that he thought that his Sonic Cap would be a lateral move from the Hovlands I was originally using.  Now that takes guts to admit that.  I put back the Hovlands  plus bypassed them with Dueland Copper 0.01mfd caps(also purchased the Silvers) and all is right again and maybe a little bit better.  I learned two important lessons, maybe three; First, trust my ears, second talk to engineers, designers, and not salesmen.  The third might be don't listen to people on this or any other site that make suggestions that work for their situation that's different to yours.

I'm not sure who you're talking about but I had bad luck with using Mundorf Supreme Caps in a design. 

 

No where in this thread do I speak about their caps.