The Palladian-A step beyond

richardkrebs
12-04-2016 9:25pm
Halcro
Wouldn’t the amplitude (movement) of the cantilever be the same for both families of cartridge?

halcro OP
12-04-2016 10:09pm
Wouldn’t the amplitude (movement) of the cantilever be the same for both families of cartridge?

I see what you’re saying Richard.....
Of course the movement of the cantilever is governed by the groove modulation and not by the compliance.....

LMAO, what laws of physics are you plucking this from.
I would expect that cartridge compliance, effective mass of the tonearm and bearing friction all play a role in both the amplitude and behaviour of the cantilever when navigating groove modulations.

Halcro you have suggested before that effective mass does not have an impact before but you are wrong. An easy experiment is to change the effective mass of your tonearm by adding or subtracting mass - I have done this with your much vaunted FR64S and it is easy to hear consistent differences when altering the effective mass in a decent system.

Sampsa 55
The tail wagging the dog.... 
Agree: That is where I was heading with the effective mass compatibility question.

Ideally the amplitude should be the same regardless of cartridge family. 
If it isn't, there is likely a miss match with eff mass or there is miss tracking due to any number of reasons

cheers 

richardkrebs
12-05-2016 7:31pm
Ideally the amplitude should be the same regardless of cartridge family.

That statement is not correct.
Why would you expect a low compliance low output 0.1mv mc cartridge with a tiny coil attached to the cantilever to have the same amplitude as a high compliance high output output 5mv MM cartridge with a hunk of magnet attached to the cantilever when navigating a record groove. 

Because if the movement of the cantilever (at the stylus end) is not the same, then the stylus is not following the groove or the cartridge body is moving in anti phase  Both very bad things indeed. 

Yeah, you can go into groove wall deflection due to higher forces with a low compliance cart and other esoteric reasons, but "ideally" the movement will be the same in a properly set up system.  

Dear @dover :  """  Halcro you have suggested before that effective mass does not have an impact before but you are wrong...""""

obviously totally wrong but is not his culprit, things are that he just can't hear it: it's now aware of it. This is the problem with this gentleman is that unfortunatelly is a self negation/deny for him and just is not willing to change, willing to learn.

Dover, what you said about you and every single true audiophile learned when we studied  audio in the very first steps: kindergarden.

Some of us are way sticky to " something " and we can't do nothing to be unglued.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.