There Is Nothing Like the Real Thing - Our State of the Art


This is a long expose’.  My apologies in advance.  Perhaps you will find it enjoyable or thought provoking.  Perhaps you will find me in need of therapy.  

 

I am lucky to live in the NYC suburbs that provide multifarious venues for all genres of music, dance, and theater within the inner city and beyond.  There are the large venues (Carnegie Hall, Koch Theater, Metropolitan) but many smaller venues where ensembles perform.   This weekend I attended a Fever Candlelight Concert of seasonal music at the St. Mark’s Episodical Church in Mount Kisco NY performed by the Highline String Quartet sitting about 25 feet from the performers in a warm acoustic environment.  Much enjoyable. Vivaldi L’inverno evoked a tear.  However, every time I come home from a live performance, I reflect on the state of the art of musical recording and playback, with feelings that as far as technology has advanced in the past 10 years, we are far off from the real thing.  I have spent much time with $1mm systems at dealers and have curated a system within my means that focuses on timbre, dynamics, and image density, at least to my ears.   But after listening to the real thing, I have the following observations:  

 

1.  Organic nature of reproduced music cannot approach the sweetness, liquidity, and  palpability of the real thing.  The real thing is detailed but never with harsh artifacts that I still hear even in $1mm systems.  Massed orchestral  strings is the best example of where the state of the art is getting better, but still far off from the sweetness and liquidity of the real thing. 

2.  Imaging and staging of reproduced music cannot approach the real thing.  I find systems homogenizes the sound field and some separate the sound field images in excess compared to the real thing.  When in a live venue, there images are distinct but the secondary harmonics from the instruments and the reflected sounds from the venue mix and diffuse the images in a manner that recorded and reproduced music cannot capture.  

3.  The dynamics of recorded and reproduced music have a different quality than the real thing.  Dynamics is where the state of the art has much improved.  Macro and microdynamics of systems I like are well reproduced.  The difference I hear is that the leading edge of the real thing is powerfully evident but never harsh.   It’s forceful and relaxed at the same time.  

4.  Many systems today produce vivid detail but in a manner different than the real thing. The way the bow, strings, and sounding board/body of the instrument develops and ripples out into the venue in an integrated manner is getting closer, but not yet there.  This, combined with my comments on imaging/staging produce detailed sound that progresses from a point source outward in three dimensions.  As an analogy, the detailed sound wave images progress into the venue like the visual image of a fireworks exploding in the sky.  Recorded music playback is getting closer, but it’s not the real thing.  

 

I believe the recording technology is most at fault.  This belief stems from the fact that some recording labels consistently come closer to the real thing.  For example, certain offerings from Reference Recordings, 2L, Linn, Blue Note,  and Stockfish produce timbre, staging/imaging, and dynamics closer to the real thing.  I do not understand recording engineering to understand why.  

 

What are your observations on the state of the art compared to the real thing?   For those technical competent, any explanation why we are not closer?

jsalerno277

@viber6 I am fortunate as I am the Salon recording engineer for the Viklarbo Chamber group headed by Wendy Prober Cohen and Maria Newman (Alfred Newman's daughter and composer in her own right of many 100s of works).  So, it is a large living room and I can sit close to the music while recording.  About 4 performances annually; otherwise, at Maria's home in Malibu where a dozen professional recordings have been made.  

fleschler, I have made wonderful recordings in small rooms.  A string chamber orchestra packed itself into a violin shop.  I placed 2 cardioid mikes close to 2 groups.  Small rooms are often too reverberant, so you get more clarity by miking close.  The recording was intimate, just as with my listening position.

BTW, I struggled to login to Agon.  My phone has 2FA authentication disabled.  The cell phone company, Metro/T mobile was unhelpful.  Microsoft phone service is terrible.  Any ideas?  Thanks.

Whenever I attend a live musical performance I always find myself wondering what the performance sounds like to the musicians on stage and especially so when there are a lot of musicians on stage. They are often hemmed in by nearby musicians and their instruments, and everybody is straining to hear their own instrument or voice above the sounds arising all around them from multiple directions. Does this sound "live" to them, or are they mostly engaged in trying to figure out or guess what they are sounding like to the audience?

With a symphony orchestra the conductor's experience with creating a certain wall of sound aimed in a particular direction is paramount, but what are the players actually hearing especially in light of their being in front of reflective paper scores on stands?

A friend of mine in my college back in the 1970's had a band that opened for the Mahavishnu Orchestra one night.The venue was the college gym - bad acoustics I know, but heavy vinyl mats spread vastly over the floor helped. Most everyone being college aged there was no concern for the audience having to sit on mats without chairs.

After the show I ran into my friend and asked him how he thought it went. He told me that he had no real idea how they sounded because the amps were positioned out in front of them. They could not really hear their own music in any sort of realistic manner, and what they did hear was so time delayed by the speaker placement that he said they were essentially "flying blind" and having to put their faith in the mixing engineers. He told me that had they been positioned in front of the amps the noise field would have been so loud that their hearing would be threatened.

I guess my question is - do live musicians have to squabble and quibble even more than we so-called audiophiles over the issues of a performance sounding "live" or not?