Slaw, I may be wrong, but isn't the HW19 a suspended type? The OP's post contained a perfectly reasonable question that brought out all the usual suspects to comment.
Tonearm mount on the plinth or on Pillar ?
I am looking to buy a custom built turntable from Torqueo Audio (http://www.torqueo-audio.it/). They have two models, one with a wide base plinth where the tonearm would be mounted on the plinth (as usual) and the second is a compact plinth where they provide a seperate tonearm pillar to mount the tonearm. According to them the separate tonearm pillar version sounds more transparent and quieter because of the isolation of the tonearm from the TT. My concern is whether seperating the tonearm from the plinth would result in a lesser coherence in sound ? Isnt sharing the same platform results in a more well-timed, coherent presentation ? Any opinions ?
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Verdier photo: It looks to me like Dietrich simply replaced the OEM flimsy tonearm mount (an inverted L-shaped affair that never looked to be very stable, to me) with a nice solid pillar and then attached it directly to the granite "plinth". Nothing really radical but certainly better than stock. Slaw, I may be wrong, but isn't the HW19 a suspended type? The OP's post contained a perfectly reasonable question that brought out all the usual suspects to comment. |
Most people follow this belief but if you had studied acoustics and the science of materials, you would know that materials react to air-borne sound by a mixture of:-Halcor, the second to last statement here is plainly ridiculous- and may be why you are having trouble understanding how this works. The resonant frequency of the arm and pickup is irrelevant- that affects tracking and the ability to play bass but has no bearing on the fact that higher frequency vibrations can be transcribed by the cartridge. Were this not so as you state, it would be impossible for the cartridge to put out anything at all! You seem to use the term 'vibrate' as if somehow it were a different genus to 'resonate'?It is unimportant whether the vibration is occurring at a resonant frequency or not- its vibration either way- just more of it if its at a resonant frequency. If air-borne sound pressure is a problem in the turntable playback system, then every increase in volume would of necessity degrade the sound.Correct. There are tens of millions of turntable systems where turning up the volume is heard to IMPROVE the sound quality noticeably.This statement is false. Dietrich knows a thing or two about turntables, arms and cartridges.They look like pods but they are part of the plinth. Go look at the video again. This looks like an excellent machine! It does not support your position. If any other sound frequency is used there will be NO vibration in the material? This with any energy level in the sound?Correct....unless you define the transmission of sound through the material as caused by vibrating molecules. Not in an imperfect world. I am sure the word NO was capitalized for a reason. Damping material damps, but cannot remove all vibration, unless its perfect. It isn't. Its very effective for sure, but not 100%. No strawman argument from me Ralph, at least not intentionally. I’m with ya, man!Got it- I sorted that out a bit later. |
It is unimportant whether the vibration is occurring at a resonant frequency or not- its vibration either way- just more of it if its at a resonant frequency Again, I tend to agree with Ralph on this one and find it hard to believe that airborne vibration, even not at the resonance frequency, has no effect on the turntable system playback. I would propose yet another simple test, similar to the one I proposed before:
I am pretty sure you could hear the music through the headphone (although it would sound funny as it has gone through the RIAA stage). |
Now here is a serious new turntable...I saw that video. The tonearm pods are themselves on the same plinth as the turntable if I am not wrong. So then, is this setup some type of Optical illusion ? That Verdier setup is incorrect. I have owned the Verdier too and have tried various setup configurations. In the setup cited in the link above the motor housing and the turntable are placed on different platfoms, one is on a vibraplane while other is on a regular raised platform. This may give the sound some added transparency due to the seperation but they dont sing like one. The coherency is affected, I have tried it first hand. Probably the person who set it up would never agree to this because he first of all doesnt believe this can happen (hence he set it up like that) and secondly he did not hear this problem after setting it up like that. With all those expensive tonearms, cartridges, isolation platforms, one has invested very well and it is expected that he knows very well what is doing but simple things are some times elusive |
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