Tonearm mount on the plinth or on Pillar ?

It is unimportant whether the vibration is occurring at a resonant frequency or not- its vibration either way- just more of it if its at a resonant frequency

Again, I tend to agree with Ralph on this one and find it hard to believe that airborne vibration, even not at the resonance frequency, has no effect on the turntable system playback.

I would propose yet another simple test, similar to the one I proposed before:

 

1.  Lower the cartridge on a stationary platter / LP, ideally the turntable system should be on an anti-vibration platform to filter out the structural borne vibrations,

2. Play music through the CD system,

3. Connect the cartridge to the phono / preamp as usual,

4. Listen to the phono system with a headphone, preferably in another room.

 

I am pretty sure you could hear the music through the headphone (although it would sound funny as it has gone through the RIAA stage).

Yes the capitalized "NO" was deliberate.

Halcro
Can you please explain how we can hear and clearly understand someone talking on the other side of a closed window?
Horrid music, which sounds like a broken washing machine, coming thru the walls of my sons bedroom?

Cheers 

Now here is a serious new turntable...
http://www.analogplanet.com/content/dietrich-brakemeirs-apolyt-turntable-aims-be-worlds-finest-and-m...
Dietrich knows a thing or two about turntables, arms and cartridges.
And gosh....what are those?
They look like tonearm pods and did he say in the interview that the tops of the pods are totally isolated from the plinth and structure?

I saw that video. The tonearm pods are themselves on the same plinth as the turntable if I am not wrong.

So then, is this setup some type of Optical illusion ? 


http://www.whatsbestforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19961&d=1429540940 

That Verdier setup is incorrect. I have owned the Verdier too and have tried various setup configurations. In the setup cited in the link above the motor housing and the turntable are placed on different platfoms, one is on a vibraplane while other is on a regular raised platform. This may give the sound some added transparency due to the seperation but they dont sing like one. The coherency is affected, I have tried it first hand. Probably the person who set it up would never agree to this because he first of all doesnt believe this can happen (hence he set it up like that) and secondly he did not hear this problem after setting it up like that. With all those expensive tonearms, cartridges, isolation platforms, one has invested very well and it is expected that he knows very well what is doing but simple things are some times elusive

Lewm
Verdier photo: It looks to me like Dietrich simply replaced the OEM flimsy tonearm mount (an inverted L-shaped affair that never looked to be very stable, to me) with a nice solid pillar and then attached it directly to the granite "plinth". Nothing really radical but certainly better than stock.

Optical illusion Lewm.

(an inverted L-shaped affair that never looked to be very stable, to me)

An Aluminum block rigidly mounted to its plinth .....unstable ? ok......

Look again. the turntable has been rotated counter clockwise. 90 degrees. The stock pillar is still there holding up the other tonearm. The external pod is not touching the same plinth that the platter is attached to.

Nothing really radical but certainly better than stock.

Well ok if you think so. But "Earth" for both of them, Tonearm Pillar and Plinth that holds the Platter, is now the Vibraplane.

I think you just jumped over to the other side and became one of them Copernicans with your comment ?

Excellent comments Pani :^)

Pani
I have owned the Verdier too and have tried various setup configurations.

This may give the sound some added transparency due to the seperation but they dont sing like one. The coherency is affected, I have tried it first hand.

Did I read on here in the past that you owned a Nouvelle Verdier ?

IMO/IME it’s very easy to fall into the trap of listening to "sounds" (Audiophile), rather than the flow of the music created by the musicians (Music Lover). I have been in these phases. fwiw - they (phases), imo can be very therapeutic especially during difficult times. But it becomes about the gear, and not the music anymore.

Now that linked table is a naked design; meaning all parts easily accessible. To the "ever wanting change" vinyl audiophile - it is crack. I resisted change with it, and spent time on setup with dialogue from its maker-designer. May he rest in piece.

Pani - I think your personal experience answers the question in your original post quite well ?

Cheers