TT, 12" Tonearm. Who tried and ended up preferring 12" arm?

C'mon now Lewm.
Chakster is always right and has to have the last word......

 Do you not see a slight sag in the CW, even for your pristine example? I do.

We can look at another image from the internet:

a perfect tonearm 
and a broken sample 

Anything in between is SAG at different degree, but clearly visible from the first fast look on it. 

Interesting pictures that do not quite tell the whole story as you are painting it Chak…….

If you look at a few more pictures on the net you will clearly see the one you posted has the whole collar askew.
There are quite a few with a straight collar and some degree of sag that is genuinely from the rubber but do not look as bad as the one picture you posted.

However you want to beat it to death, the terminology is NOT defective or broken!

Although the picture you did post would qualify as broken imho yes.

I’ll agree that the sagging photo is a bit too sagging. It’s condition is something like mine, which does need a new grommet.

Since there are may be half a dozen people in the whole world who give a s**t about this question, maybe we should stop? And maybe Chak would stop preaching on the subject. Instead, it would be better if you would qualify your remarks as "opinion". To which you are entitled.

And we can move on to something equally boring.

Amen!

And apologies to the OP for labouring this point.

Elliott, please do update on your decision if you go the way of the other all Victor combo or another direction entirely.
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