turntable upgrade VPI or CLEARAUDIO?


I currently have a Well Tempered Classic V turntable with the graphite arm. I am running a Clearaudio Discovery cartridge into an Accoustec PH1P phono stage.

When playing records, I have the feeling that the Bass and transient attack is "muddy", or slow, and I seem to be missing the pace of the music. I have very good frequency responce, both low and high, but the detail is just not there.

My question is, is it better to look at a VPI TNT, or Clearaudio Reference turntable, to clean up the tempo and pace of my music? I know that I am looking at spending 4-5,000 dollars to make the upgrade(if I can locate a suitable used model here on agon) and I wonder if this would be money well spent.

For reference, here is my system:

Well Tempered Classic V turntable
Accoustec PH1P phono stage
Transparent Ultra Phono cable
Transparent Ultra XL cable, phono to preamp
Krell KAV 300i pre-amp
Transparent Ultra XL cable, preamp to amp
Krell KSA 250 amp
Transparent Super XL cable, amp to speakers
Hales REvelation 3 speakers

Thanks in advance, Brad
bfuehrer
Hi Brad,

Here is the quote from the WT factory setup. (somewhere in all this writing.)

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND-- that this is really part of an intregal setup and soing this procedure alone will not suffice.

You really need to set up all respective parameters, ie: vtf, vta etc -- and you really DO need a protracter as well -- the WT arm is so very much an intregal process (as with any arm.)

I am giving you a sort of band-aid by giving you this part of the setup prcedure.

I was sort of hesitant because this is only a small part of what really needs to be done.

"Put arm fluid in cup. use nut driver or socet wrench extension to push plunger. When fluid settles, paddle should be covered by 1 to 2 mm of fluid. Fluid for arm is very stiff." *(hence my reason for saying wait 20 ~ 30 mins and recheck)*

This is a great place to start but as I have stated additional adjustments and rechecking are in order.

BTW There is a specific mathematical formula for figuring out the rate at which the arm hits the vinyl. (do a search @ the asylum for details.)

I believe that you will be extremely satisfied when you have accomplished proper setup :)

As a side note, I had really great customer service via the OLD WT -- Carl was extremely helpful but Stanalog has been less than helpful...

Happy listening,

The offer still stands for a copy of the manual--

~FX
FX, thanks for the help. I have done what I think is a good job setting up the table, as I have had quite a few, including another WT.

Regarding the silicon, when you said "covered by 1 to 2 mm", are you refering to the entire paddle immersed in fluid, or just the bottom covered, and up the sides of the white paddle 1 or 2 mm? I currently have silicone only half way up the side of the paddle puck. I would think that additional fluid would make the sound more congested, or is it the opposite of this?

I agree that Carl was very much more helpful than Stanalog, although I did get to visit with Stanalog at length last spring after a month of phone calling to reach them.

JFRECH, I am curious about your cables. You have both the ref. and ultra Transparent. Is this on purpose, or are you working your way up the line to all reference?

Brad
Hi Brad,

The paddle is to be covered completely with the silicon, WT suggests starting out with 1-2 mm then adding more if necessary. (If I remember correctly mine is covered with about 3mm)I use a very thin wire or the end of a thin steel rod to measure the distance.

Please note that the arm silicon and the platter silicon are not interchangeable.

Happy Listening -- let us know how you make out.

~Fx