Using Adcom GFA-555s as monoblocks to power magnepan 3.3s in active biamp

@allenf1963 I forgot the math. Since P = I * V, and since V = I * R, then P = l * (I * R). When you turn the flash light on, and the bulb heats up, it’s resistance increases, and you find the source voltage across the lamp (don’t try this with an LED). If it takes more power to produce red light than blue or violet, then either the resistance has increased and more voltage is required, or the resistance has decreased allowing more current to flow for the same amount of voltage ‘driving’ the circuit. In the case of a speaker’s impedance (XsubL) drop producing the lower bass frequencies, because the speaker offers less resistance at the lower frequencies (XsubL = 2(pi)fL), more current passes through the circuit for the same amount of voltage driving the circuit. (With semiconductors it is easy to enter a ‘death spiral’ in which more current generates more heat which draws more current, which generates more heat, etc. the semiconductor offers less and less resistance until it finally burns itself up). Unless there is a microprocessor monitoring the circuit’s power usage, or appropriate and well-placed fuses in the circuit, part destruction is a real possibility where impedance ‘droops’ occur in the bass region, or if you hook up 4 Ohm (or 2 Ohm) speakers to an 8 Ohm tap (at least in theory, many folk recommend trying your speakers on different taps, just to see if they sound better). In practical terms, it isn’t going to make much difference unless or until you turn the volume up and start to drive the amplifier into clipping or at least start to use significant power (unless there is a short in your speaker or connections).

@oldrooney 

Again, solid info and I'm starting to gain a grasp.  Another simpleton question, in its most basic use, is the purpose of the speaker's crossover then to alter the voltage or signal that is going to the bass, mid, and treble drivers -- to produce the sound signal you want without burning out those individual drivers?  Again, I know this is Kindergarten stuff to most of this Forum, but even though I've been a music fan and around bands my whole life, this was the area that just puts me in a "deer in the headlights" mode.  I know I'm not the only "lurker" in this Forum this puzzles over these questions...I'm just not afraid to admit my ignorance!  😂

Thanks again.

Allen

I miss my GFA-585 LE, what a beast!  

@allenf1963 You’re asking questions about a topic on which I’m a bit fuzzy. I studied the design of filters for ‘high pass,’ and ‘low pass,’ performed the basic calculations, and became conversant in ‘first order,’ ‘second order’ and the like; ‘notch filters,’ etc. but I don’t have much practical experience with building, or tuning them. I would have go to my textbooks to get a refresher to go into detail. I’m much more comfortable discussing the sort of filtering that takes place in the power supply, trying to convert AC to DC and eliminating ripple.

That said, I can describe the basic function and components. For a passive crossover, the high pass filter takes advantage of the properties of a capacitor to ‘pass AC.’ The amount of capacitance determines the frequency at which the the ‘highs’ pass to the tweeter. Stages of filtration can be built up and at each stage (or ‘order’) the ‘pass frequency’ becomes more and more selective. That is, the slope of the frequency response curve gets steeper and steeper. I think a first order slopes off at 6 bB per octave, and a second order filter slopes off at 12 dB per octave, but I’m not sure, it may be 3 dB and 6 dB. The inductor is used for a low pass filter, and to be honest, I’m not sure how to describe its operation, but again, first and second order filters can be made quite simply. Resistors are also employed in the design of cross-overs, if you find a ‘vintage’ speaker, there is often a knob or two offering to attenuate either the highs or lows: the potentiometer is serving to ‘trim’ the frequencies at which the filter (cross-over) is effective.

So, yes, cross-overs serve to direct frequencies to the appropriate driver within the speaker (bass frequencies to the woofer, high frequencies to the tweeter, those frequencies that are nether high nor low, to the midrange driver.

The issues with passive cross-overs are at least twofold, (1) the fact that they are passive means that some of the signal’s energy will be absorbed by the cross-over components: the capacitors will want to hold onto their voltage; the inductors will want to hold onto their current, the resistors will restrain current flow and will maintain a voltage across them with a polarity opposing the source as long as they are in the circuit (it’s what they do). An alternative is ‘active’ cross-overs, which must have their own power supply, which ‘massage’ the frequencies without using the signal’s energy, but which may also add to the sound a coloration of their own. I’m not sure what components are used in an active cross-over, but I’m assuming transistors and ICs like op-amps are involved.

If you want to pursue this topic further, you probably need to pm me, as I fear we’ve hijacked this thread. We’re not all on the thread’s stated topic.

((((Wow, thanks.  So, another question: is there any harm in running 1 channel of each Adcom?)))

that's the ok way if your going to do it.

While the Adcom is at its best controlling woofers like some of the infinity speakers

In my experience i cant thing of a worse combination.

These amps are way over damped for any of the Magnepans.

Try any vintage Bryston and you will quickly see what works.

 listen to The Planets, Gustav Holst 4th movement with the opening Acoustic Basses you will appreciate the proper dampening once you experience the difference.

 JohnnyR Magnepan Dealer