VDH Colibri XPP. Best Load impedance?


Hi,

what is the best Load impedance for the VDH XPP (Platin?

Josef
jpetek
Loading is, as Dover pointed out, so much dependent on not just the cartridge, but the particular phonostage, that a very specific manufacturer recommendation would not make sense (hence, the wide range Dover mentioned that VDH recommended). I think manufacturer's sometimes make a recommendation just to prevent customer angst and endless inquiries. The 100 ohms mentioned is an almost universal recommended loading (it works well enough for the vast majority of MC cartridges) and is a common figure for MC phonostages that have fixed loading, so it is not surprising that VDH included that figure in his recommended range.

From my own experience, I generally like wide open with essentially no loading (47k is pretty much unloaded). The 500 to 1k that VDH recommends on their website for the Colibre is pretty much unloaded too (I bet few can actually hear a difference between 1k and 47k). If one really "needs" to load below 100 ohms, something is unbalanced with the system/setup. I own a Transfiguration Orpheus L. It has a source impedance of 1 ohm. If one used the 10X formula that some recommend (like Fremer), the proper loading is 10 ohms. That would make the cartridge sound sodden and shut down and would seriously reduce the output of a cartridge that is already somewhat low in output. With something like the Colibri, one is paying big bucks for the spectacularly open, and fast top end of that cartridge--it would be a pity to wipe that all away with excessive loading.

Atmasphere's comments are consistent with what some cartridge manufacturer's have said--loading may be helpful when there are issues with RFI and where the ultrasonic resonangt peak of MC cartridges may overload a phonostage with poor headroom margin. A friend had noise problems with his Hovland HP-200 (caused by RFI). It turns out that the factory default setting is 100k. When we loaded it to 47k, the problem went away.
Thanks for your response.

I don´t know if one of you own a Colibri Platin but my experience with this Cartridge is that he is very sensitive. I own before a VDH Colibri Gold. This cartridge is not so sensitive like a Platin.

500 Ohm is the internal impendace. If I use the formel x10 you need 5k. I started this threat to find out if somebody tested this cartridge with 5k or 10k. A Platin nothing else. A Gold has for example only 38 Ohm!

The reason why is I am looking for a new PrePre. My old own is not a good match for this Cartridge.

regards

Josef
I seriously doubt that the internal impedance is 500 ohms. According to the VDH site, the various Colibri models have a resistance of 21 ohms, 36 ohms and 96 ohms. For all of these models, VDH recommends loading of 500 ohms to 1k ohms. Even 96 ohms is unusually high and 500 ohms as an internal impedance would be unprecedented (as far as I know). See the specifications on this page:

http://www.vandenhul.com/p_A03.aspx
Hi Larry,

I spoke yesterday with VDH himself he confirmed me 500 Ohm! You will not find a Platin on the Web. A Platin is made only through a special order.

Josef
XPP - Colibri plastic body, platinum coils.
Platinum is much more resistive than copper, so the 500 ohms is plausible.
You should probably try and borrow a phono stage that has unlimited loading options eg Klyne 7, that you can try out.
Alternately there are some phono stages that are current sensing and do not require loading at all - eg Goldmund PH3.
You wont find many prepre's with wide loading options as they tend to be old school with loading down for LOMC's.