Watts and power


Can somebody break it down in layman's terms for me? Why is it that sometimes an amp that has a high watt rating (like, say, a lot of class D amps do) don't seem to always have the balls that much lower rated A or AB amps do? I have heard some people say, "It's not the watts, it's the power supply." Are they talking about big honkin' toroidal transformers? I know opinions vary on a speaker like, say, Magnepans - Maggies love power, right? A lot of people caution against using class D amps to drive them and then will turn around and say that a receiver like the Outlaw RR2160 (rated at 110 watts into 8 ohms) drives Maggies really well! I'm not really asking about differences between Class D, A, or AB so much as I am asking about how can you tell the POWER an amp has from the specs? 
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And what you have done here to your system below is most probably the ultimate I’ve seen in voodoo BS



jerrybj Any tweaks I’m missing?

Upgraded over the last year:

Chokes on electrical items with a switched mode power supply
Halide Bridge USB to coaxial reclocker
Akiko Triple AC Power Enhancer
Audio Prism Ground Control spades on speakers
RCA shorting plugs for inputs on my amp.
Akiko Tuning Caps on amp outputs.
Akiko Fuse Box Tuning Chip.
1 x Shumann Resonator Chatres SE + power supply

1 x Schumann Resonator CHARTRES Mk3

Black Ravioli pads for amp, Dac and power supply

Vibrapod isolation cones and feet
Akiko Universal Tuning Sticks on speaker cables.
iFi AC iPurifier.
MCRU Mains Filtration plug
Mad Scientist Nitro Nano power cables.
’LOA audio tweak’ chip.
Signal Ground solutions SGS-1 Groundng Box.
3 x Bybee iQSE - one on power board.
High Fidelity Cables MC-0.5
XLR Noise Stopper Caps.
Russ Andrews ’The Silencer.’
Audioquest Jitterbug.
iFi USB Silencer.
SR Orange fuses

PPT Omega + EMat to trial

Mad Scientist Graphene Contact Enhancer to apply
Mad Scientist Donuts coming.



Thank you for your reply @audiozenology

Optimize,
  • P = v * I
  • P = v^2 / R
  • P = i^2 * R

If you know P and R, then you can calculate I and V.
But I could not really wrap my head around WHY the correct formulas could work to calculate I and V on a amplifier output.

Because that would suggest that ALL amplifiers with different operations classes, types of FET and wiring singel ended/Push pull. Gives the SAME constant and relationships so only from wattage and resistance you can get the I and V.

That is something I don’t believe is true at all!

And I think I found the missing link.. Why you think that we kan use those formulas on the output power for a amplifier!

The formulas above only works on:
Single Phase OR Three Phase Delta
https://www.chromalox.com/Resources%20and%20Support/calculators/ohms-law

That is logical when you measure on a constant like between different phase conductors in your home and I believe it is not applicable on the any given amplifier output.

But I can be wrong maybe any other more gifted than I could share a light on the subject. :)
Optimize, amplifier power tests, right or wrong are made into constant resistance loads. The equations I posted are simple extensions of ohms law. All that is required is to use RMS values. They work.


With inductive and capacitive loads there may be other thermal limits placed on the available power, at least with non switching amplifiers.
audiozenology"amplifier power tests, right or wrong are made into constant resistance loads"

This is true of course when amateurs, hobbyists, and inexperienced users conduct such tests but when performed by experts, engineers, and designers a much more thorough, complete, and extensive composition of tests is undertaken to accurately assess how a Music Reproduction System component will perform in real-world conditions by the end user.
Because that would suggest that ALL amplifiers with different operations classes, types of FET and wiring singel ended/Push pull. Gives the SAME constant and relationships so only from wattage and resistance you can get the I and V.
This is correct even though you don't believe it. If a given amp makes a certain power into a certain load, then it will be making exactly the same voltage and current as any other amplifier that can do the same thing.

What might be tripping you up here is output impedance plays a role. If the amp has a higher output impedance, more of its output power will be dissipated in the output section itself rather than the load when presented with a low impedance load. Since no loudspeaker is a flat impedance from top to bottom, this means that different amps can sound different, even though at certain impedances of the speaker they might all make the same power.


To further muddy the waters, not all speakers are meant to be driven by amps with a super low output impedance, while others are. For more on this see:
http://www.atma-sphere.com/Resources/Paradigms_in_Amplifier_Design.php