We Need A Separate Forum for Fuses


LOL, I'll bet I gotcha on that Title! ;)  BTW, I put this thread under "Tech Talk" category as it involves the system physically, not tangentially. 

More seriously, two question survey:

1. Do you think designer fuses are A) a Gift to audiophiles, or B) Snake Oil 

2. Have you ever tried them?  Yes or No

In the tradition of such questions on Agon, I'll weigh in as we go along... 
Feel free to discuss and rant all you wish, but I would like to see clear answers to the questions. :) 
douglas_schroeder

Showing 38 responses by uberwaltz

Holy Moly
And I thought the SR Blue fuse thread was seriously deranged......
Not even sure how worthwhile it is to add my latest experience here, likely to just get shot down in flames!
But here goes, and yes this is copy and paste from SR Blue thread as I lazy.....

Well here goes
Back home today from a week working in Orange County and both my new OPPO UDP205 and SR Blue fuse were waiting for me.
Inserted said Blue into Goldnote PH-10 phono stage and left it on just to warm through a bit.

Played vinyl I am very familiar with and......

IMHO there is an increased feel of depth to the music overall, female vocals and acoustic guitars have more definition, bass just feels tighter, not deeper or louder but, well just more. Instruments seem easier to pick out of the mix, more defined overall.
Really hard to describe adequately but a definite improvement all round, and this is brand new out of the box, 1 hour play time.
Gdhal
Why so surprised?
Did you really think that all the blarney on the "other" fuse thread went unheeded or unnoticed by the powers that be.
What more requirements does a buyer and user of an aftermarket fuse NEED than that they can hear a difference?
Even if it is a small difference then $60 to $200 is a very small price for a worthwhile tweak.
It is up to the individual if they feel it was worthwhile.
Sorry but I listen to music not science
Yikes!
Talking of impossible.
My everyday paying job, you know as opposed to running round in ever decreasing circles here, involves doing the mathematically impossible every single minute of every single day.
Seriously.
Note I stated mathematically impossible.
Theory can sometimes be bent a little.
I will not bore anybody with the details but it is one reason I take a lot of this stuff with a very open mind.
Kosst
Sorry but I do not believe that anybody who buys and uses an aftermarket fuse and enjoys what they hear has ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING to prove to you or anybody else here!

The majority of these fuse threads are based on users listening experience not practical science 101, if you demand science just go and email the manufacturers and harass them not the users on these threads.
In short we don't owe you a bean!
Yes but it appears only posts that truly warrant removal are biting the dust.
The mods have certain members number......
Kosst
This is not a court and we are not theorizing any legal matters.
These are people's OPINIONS, nothing more.
I truly could not care less whether anybody believes me.
I truly could not care less if others draw the conclusion that I am full of it.
I am reporting what I believe I hear and what I hear makes me happy and its my money.
That's really all there is to it.
Somebodies needle is stuck in the groove.
Not sure how many times one can post the same thing before everybody just glazes over and falls to the ground with a dull thud.
Is that the ploy, capitulation by exhaustion?
George 
That just shows where you are at and one of your biggest problems.
SIDES.
What on earth are you talking about?
There are no sides here, just opinions, the only sides are the ones you are making up in your head.
Unfortunately some people are as funny as a hole in the head though.
But agreed it would be hard for even Monty Python to write some of this stuff!

Just can never get the parrot sketch out of my head.
Of course it helps having grown up in England and being subjected to a constant diet of Monty Python from a tender age!
Careful George...
You might just blow a fuse if you carry on!
Not sure if slow or fast blow though....
Pretty sure your attitude and verbage will not help you any in the long run.
Your insinuations that I am NOT an EE is fighting talk where I come from son.
Just a helpful hint.......

I think the idea of thread OP self moderation has been bandied around a few times . it has its merits but also its drawbacks.
However instead of clogging up other threads why don't you start a thread just on that subject and let's discuss it there?

Kosst.
What you say about value of engineering makes a lot of sense tbh. And I can see a solid thought process in there.

Now though, and not wishing to be antagonistic here,but just HOW have all the aftermarket fuse manufacturer achieved the sales they have worldwide?
I mean it can’t be mass hypnosis or just thousands of gullible buyers, not even the most ardent naysayer can truly believe or propose that.
Kosst
I would agree that the number of aftermarket fuse users is indeed small, tens of thousands as you say.
However it is not in a market of tens of millions that they should be related to.
Those tens of millions are NOT high end audiophiles. That group number significantly less and dwindling every day unfortunately.
The tens of millions include appliances and applications that have no relation to high end audio at all.
Tbh I really do not know what the number of audiophiles would be worldwide, I do not believe would number tens of millions at all but I do not have that data to hand.
As far as perception of reality, I would need a few more drinks before entering that arena.
Agreed Mapman.
But on the flipside nobody should fly off the handle just because they do not like the other parties observations either.
Needs to be a lot of give and take, something that is sadly lacking at times here with certain members.


TBH I hate the term designer fuses or boutique fuses and would never refer to them as such
Aftermarket fuses is my term of choice.

I honestly cannot say as I have tested differing brands of said fuses so really cannot comment, maybe one day when I am really bored I may try one of these honey filled confectionary ones, sorry mean AM Beeswax just to see.

The only snake oil factor I have ever seen or heard about comes from the abject naysayers.......
Op
Would that information be that basically the human race are collectively a bunch of aholes?

Empirical evidence as defined by Wikipedia

Empirical evidence, also known as sensory experience, is the information received by means of the senses, particularly by observation and documentation of patterns and behavior through experimentation. The term comes from the Greek word for experience, ἐμπειρία (empeiría).Empirical evidence - Wikipedia
Kosst
Likely nobody has questioned your assertion about the failing of the power supply as nobody really desires any further fruitless and pointless arguements.
Kosst
That was just first Google result...lol
Not saying I agree or disagree
I just found it interesting....
auxinput
I am pretty sure that nobody actually "loves" GK posts!
And I hate to use the term, "sides".
More this should be viewed as differences of opinion.
At least that is how I look at it.
This is WAY too deep for my poor tired head.
Cant we just argue about fuses instead?
So what reaction does " I have been in the hobby for 50+ years" elicit then?
Kosst
We agree on something!
I detest Chicago!
In fact there are not that many big cities I do like, all the same to me.

We do a LOT of work in Ohio, last visit was to Canton.
New jersey..."the garbage state"... sorry to anybody who actually has the misfortune to live there.

Top cities for me

Rapid City
Denver
Portland
Spokane
Bozeman

Oops sorry forgot this was an angst ridden fuse thread.....
Now I have it figured out Wolf
Try buying fuses from somewhere else than NYC
Their directionality is all screwed up to start with.