@melbguy1 You have an interesting perspective. But I was never suggesting a $20k preamp. I was asking for suggestions comparable to an ARC Ref 5SE which is $13k new. So with the Plinius total investment would be in the $33k-$35k range for amp and preamp. While I'm sure the Vitus SIA-025 integrated is a very good piece of gear, I'm not sure I would consider it at $27k and only 25 watts of Class A power compared to the other gear.
@stringreen I don't remember if it was here or not but someone did mention Ayre and I did look at them. But in the end went with the Allnic.