where do i go from here?

thanks glen and ken for your suggestions.

unfortunately, i have no flexiblility when it to speaker placement due to the room (my "listening room" is also my living room). The speakers are already close to the wall so not much more i can do on that front.

As for cables, i know i don't have great stuff so maybe your suggestions make sense before i start upgrading equipment. currently i am using a kimber cable speaker cable (forget which one but the cable itself is black and grey if that helps). From the amp to the pre-amp i'm using an MIT Terminator 5 and for the pre-amp to cd i think it's an interconnect (or is that interlink?) -- again forget which ones but if i remember they were under $100. Still think upgrading the cables is worth a shot? if so, i'd love some suggestions as this is one area i'm still fairly ignorant about.

thanks again for all of the help.

I hope you realize I'm going out on a limb here. As does anyone who makes cable suggestions at this web-site.

So much bashing going on it's pathetic, but here goes. I am a believer in MIT cabling through the whole system. IMO MITs line of quality cabling doesn’t even start until you get to their 330 interconnects and 750CVT speaker cables. This is where the MIT adventure begins. Where it ends, only you can decide.

If you are willing to take the plunge this is where you need to start. You have to commit to MIT pretty much through the whole system. The only place cheating is allowed is possibly your digital cable between transport and dac. If you can go balanced through out DO IT!

Now for some good news you can find 330 rca interconnects for around $100.00 per pair if you search them out. 750cvt speaker cables can be had as low as $200.00 used but $300.00 is not bad in a pinch. MIT Shotgun is a little better for a little more money. After that all bets are off and the world of MIT is much like entering the twilight zone.

(Submitted for your approval, here's what I run in my system)

Currently I have an MIT reference AES/EBU digital cable, two sets of 350 twin-balanced reference interconnects and one pair of 770 twin speaker cables. That's basically a matched MIT cabling system. It took me a while to find all those cables at good prices but the end result was worth it.

One last thing you probably already know about Thiel speakers. (but I'll mention it anyway) They need a lot of juice. Even for low level listening. I give mine 300 watts into 8 ohms and they thank me for it every chance they get.

No matter which brand you go with, it's time to get dead serious about your cabling. I would invest in some good matching cables before I started swapping out components. Good luck :~)

I used to have a set up just like yours except different CD player, I tried different ICs. and speaker cables but nothing helps the Thiels current can drop very low so I suspected the MF-2300 is not a good match for them and at the time I don't have the budget to upgrade better and more powerful amp therefore I changed speakers with easier current 6-8 ohm
from then on my system sings the soundstage open up wider, deeper, more details, better bass, better everything hope my tip helps, good luck.

Dan - I have only a bit of experience with MIT (I have a pair of T2's connecting my phono preamp and tuner to my preamp), so you might want to consider what Glen says regarding the homogeneity of cabling when using MIT. However, the only time I found that interconnects created a dramatic change in the sound was when I pulled the cheap Radio Shack cables and replaced them with the MIT T2's. The sound was simply awful with the cheap cables (extended deep bass, recessed mid bass, accentuated high mid's with a roll off in the upper highs - nice, huh) and smoothed out completely with MIT's. Since then, I've moved from the MIT's to a combination of Nordost Blue Heaven and HomeGrown silver cables and enjoy the sound a bit more. However, in this change I really just "tweaked" the sound (increased the high end a bit, tightened the bottom, and improved the resolution) but didn't dramatically alter it. All of the cables are reasonable quality and while sounding a little different, each still provides a quality sound.

All that said, its always worth trying out new cables and seeing what happens to the sound in your system. The T5's might be a bit of a weak link in your system given the quality of the components you're using. There are many good cables available used on Agon for under $100 (Nordost, HomeGrown, MIT, Better Cables, etc) that should provide better performance than the T5's. Also, there are a number of DIY cable recipes out there and companies that sell the components necessary to build them if you want to take on a weekend project (www.diycable.com and www.takefiveaudio.com are two I know about. DIY cables should run between $20 and $60 depending on the recipe and the quality of the connectors you use). I'm planning to build a digital cable next weekend and so far the total cost in parts is $18, so there's something to be said for a little free time and elbow grease.

For the record, I'm using CJ electronics with ProAc speakers, which isn't terribly far off from your system sonically. In my room however, I'm suffering from the opposite problem that you have - I have far too much bottom end and it muddies the sound a bit. The change from copper to silver cables helped to reduce the thickness of the bottom end a bit, but I'm still working to find a more complete solution. It probably doesn't help that I have the warmest electronics on the planet, but until the stock market perks up again, I'm not yet ready to make any serious changes.

Anyway, cables can and will make a difference in the sound, but unless you have incredibly poor cables to start with (as I did), expect the changes to be enjoyable, but not earth shattering.

-- Ken

Mit is the biggest mistake you can make.Put in the EMC-1 Cd player.Its a no brainer.
What a wqste of time it would be waasting money on MIT product.
Do the CD thing and your laughing.