Where do I go from here?


    • Marantz AV-7005, pre/pro (with balanced outputs and 1.4a HDMI);  Rotel RMB-1565, surrounds and center;  Rotel RKB-650, mains w/ bi-amping;  Martin Logan Motion 20, mains;  Martin Logan Motion 8 Center; Klipsch SW-10, subKEF iQ-5, surroundsKlipsch RS-41 II, surround backs
  • Alright y'all, here is your chance to help out the newbie with your thoughts and opinions. Thanks in advance for what you may offer.  I have the above system, which is sounding really nice, with many of the qualities I've been looking for, but the upgraditis is creeping in, (again, sigh) and I am wondering which of the components may represent the weak link to my music listening nirvana?  As some my recognize, I recently added the Motion 20's to the lineup, much to my satisfaction, but where might I go from here.  I'm thinking my better half may let me get away with another $1500-2000 before I'm sleeping with the system and not her, LOL.  Since I'm more interested in the musicality of the system, listening to a mix of female vocal, rock, and dipping into the ambient realm now and then, I'm considering the replacement of the Rotel RKD-650 with something in a nice stereo configuration, possibly 3-channel to pick up the center. I'm really looking to broaden and deepen the soundstage as much as anything.  What do you think?
    128x128wisciman99

    well, the idea is to use dedicated sources (such as a DAC or a turntable) connected directly to the preamp or integrated.  In this situation, the Marantz processor would be "just another source".  You would use the Marantz as the master preamp when doing movies that require 5 channel audio.  In this situation, the left/right outputs of the Marantz would connect to the left/right inputs of the integrated (or preamp + amp).  The preamp/integrated would act as a "pass through" audio connection.

    When listening to 2-channel audio, the Marantz would be completely shutdown.  The Integrated would be switched to another input, such as a dedicated DAC.  This would, theoretically, give you better sound quality because the goal would be to use a better preamp than what is in the Marantz.  In my humble opinion, I don't think the Marantz is really that bad because they use discrete HDAM analog circuits (instead of preamps).  I would also make the assumption that the preamp in the Marantz is better than the preamp in the Parasound Halo Integrated.  The Parasound integrated uses the same preamp circuit as the Parasound P5, which is based on op amps.  It's not bad, but there are definitely better preamps.

    @auxinput -- The tweeter wasn’t really the issue or stated as being more pronounced. In this case the entire soundstage presentation appeared more right in front and visceral -- much like sitting in the first row of a performance.

    @wisciman99 -- Auxinput addressed the basic connection above, but since you’re new to this I’ll add some more detail in case it’s still a little confusing. The new integrated would be hooked directly to your front L/R speakers and your highest quality stereo source would also be routed into any line input on the integrated (let’s call it the "CD" input) -- really just as if it was a standalone 2-channel setup. Now, to incorporate the HT/Marantz into the system, everything stays exactly the same as it is now on the prepro (don’t even change the channel balance levels) except the front L/R RCA preamp outs from the Marantz get routed to the "HT Bypass" input on the integrated. Believe it or not, that’s it -- you’re done. And here’s the best part --to listen to stereo choose the "CD" input on the integrated, and to watch TV/movies just hit "HT Bypass" on the integrated. That’s it. Pushing just one button completely and seamlessly switches between 2-channel and multichannel, and ONLY the integrated is in the system for stereo (the Marantz is completely out of the chain). Best of both worlds. Almost hard to believe, right? I and many others on this site have done this with great success.

    As for the Hegel (and I’d definitely choose the Hegel over the Halo Integrated), it really depends on your budget. The improvements in the 190 vs. the 160 seem to be more refinements than a complete overhaul from a sonic perspective, plus some added streaming/automation features that may or may not be important to you. Right now there’s an "as new" open box 160 available from a dealer for $1790 (maybe with full warranty) that I’d find pretty hard to pass up since you can probably sell it for little or no loss if for some reason you’re not thrilled with it. (If you’re interested in this I’d move quickly as it’ll likely go fast if it’s not gone already -- again, likely very little risk with this). The 190 is $2995 here, but whether it’s worth almost 70% more for the latest and greatest is up to you. Personally, I think you’ll be very happy if not thrilled with the improvements from the 160, so I’d do that and pocket the $1200 difference.

    Sorry to be so long winded, but hope it helps.

    Ahhh, the light goes on.  You guys are a TON of help.  So, basically, it breaks down to either the Hegel 160 or the Parasound integrated dually sourced from the DVD/CD player or HT, or, if I want to use the Marantz pre, I've looked into the Bryston 3B-SST, with a 20 year warranty and wonderful reviews, or perhaps the Anthem MCA-225 as dedicated 2 channel amps.  All of these are in that $1500-$2000 range, and I REALLY wish there was a way to audition them all, :-(
    Just to be clear, you’d still be using the Marantz for HT (and multichannel music) duties, it just wouldn’t be involved in critical 2-channel music duties.

    Well, I’ll weigh in with my own personal experience, which is why I responded to this post in the first place. First, especially among people newer to the audio sickness, the stereo preamp is possibly the most under-appreciated component as to how much it contributes to a 2-channel system’s ultimate performance. A while back I was using my Rotel RSP-980 prepro (not a bad piece in its day either) in the same way you’re planning to possibly use your Marantz, and it worked well with my McCormack DNA-0.5 Rev A stereo amp (pretty much comparable to a Bryston 3BSST BTW). But the first time I substituted a good stereo preamp for the Rotel for 2-channel listening there was absolutely no going back. Feeding a very good stereo amp with the stereo preamp section of a $1500 prepro is most likely going to cause a significant bottleneck in your 2-channel sound. Think about it -- you just can’t economically put high-quality (or properly shielded) parts into the stereo preamp section of a $1500 prepro, not to mention that the fragile, low-level source signal is going to be routed through a noise-polluting electronic obstacle course with all the additional electronics involved in the various functions of a prepro. Believe me, I get it how nice it would be to use the prepro to do it all. Been there done that. Audiophiles who want to do that spend many thousands more on their prepros to get a truly good stereo preamp section (think Krell, Anthem, Theta, Classe, etc.). A $1500 prepro? Sorry, just doesn’t add up. Please take it from someone who’s been there. Now, if you get a good stereo amp now with the intention of adding a good stereo preamp later, that could be a very good plan as well. But it will take longer, be considerably more expensive, and add yet another box to your system. This is why I thought a good stereo integrated was such a nice fit for your particular situation. One and done on the relative cheap. OK, I’m done. That’s all I got. Best of luck in whatever you decide.

    Thanks again, and in the FWIW column, I am definitely leaning toward the Hegel.  If I opt not to do that, I will eventually be upgrading the Marantz, for sure.  I won't say cost is no worry, but I can find a little here and there when I need it (by selling something usually, lol).