Why are record cleaners so expensive?
Full disclosure: I have only the Spin-Clean record cleaner and a Hunt EDA brush to clean my vinyl, but as someone who's been in the digital side of audiophilia for decades, and as someone who knows how much gear can get in any dedicated hobby, I'm still curious as to why a high end vinyl cleaner can cost more than three grand.
I'm not disputing the price; after all, Smith said that something's worth whatever someone pays for it. Moreover, a high end record cleaner might be able to do things to vinyl that nothing else can. Still, paying three grand for an Audio Desk cleaner seems a bit out of reason. $3K can buy a good set of speakers; a hand-made fly-fishing rod based on your height and weight and arm length; two weeks at a Fijian resort for two; a custom-made suit from an Italian mill. So why is a glorified vacuum cleaner $3K?
Again, not flaming, just curious. Enlighten me?
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I'm not disputing the price; after all, Smith said that something's worth whatever someone pays for it. Moreover, a high end record cleaner might be able to do things to vinyl that nothing else can. Still, paying three grand for an Audio Desk cleaner seems a bit out of reason. $3K can buy a good set of speakers; a hand-made fly-fishing rod based on your height and weight and arm length; two weeks at a Fijian resort for two; a custom-made suit from an Italian mill. So why is a glorified vacuum cleaner $3K?
Again, not flaming, just curious. Enlighten me?
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Simao, I also use the Spin-Clean, but I finish up with a KAB EV-1 to vacuum off the bath water. The EV-1 is basically the top portion of a Nitty Gritty record cleaner, and hooks up to your own vacuum cleaner. At $169, it's an economical alternative to the machines with a built-in vacuum. I believe the results from this combination are better than using the EV-1 alone and WAY better than the Spin-Clean alone. |
Well, Sim, I'll take your question at face value. First, an ultrasonic machine is not a glorified vacuum cleaner. Not remotely. Second, sonic difference. I used to clean with a two wand method on a VPI. Now I clean at 80KHz and hear as big a difference as doubling the cost of a component. Many of us have a $3,000 phono stage, or amp, or table, or speakers. Hence cleaning for $3,000 is perfectly viable on a strict cost/benefit analysis, on this measure alone. Then there is the cost of a factory retip, about $3000 for mine. Since a recent study showed that the grunge in a record groove is one third diamond grit plus grease, which is a premium grinding compound, removing all of that grit should multiply the lifespan of a stylus. $3000 for record cleaning is a bargain on this measure alone. Then there are the records. If you have 3000 records, it's only a dollar apiece. Even if you buy at garage sales, a dollar each is not significant, on this measure alone. So there you have it. Out of reason? Not by my analysis. |
If a power cord or a couple of rare records can cost $3k or more why can't an excellent record cleaner cost the same or less? $3k for a great custom suit is not nearly enough, by the way. Try $8k - 10k. Having said that, I do think that $3k machine is overpriced, but so are many things. Personally, $499 Okki Nokki with Audio Intelligent fluids is all I need. But it takes time and effort, that's not " push button " device. Rich people employ different kind of mathematics, and from their point of view it sounds like a correct one. I myself pay $500-$600 for a custom hand made knife from time to time, which would be considered madness by most people. I consider it inexpensive, some cost thousands. |
I buy most of my LPs at shows used. So a cleaner is very important. But like the OP, I have a tight budget. Two of the best values in record cleaners, IMHO are: http://kabusa.com/frameset.htm?/ I own this cleaner, and hook it up to a standard canister vacuum. Does the job pretty well. I use a one-step cleaner since I lack the patience and time for a multi-step process. Then I finish with this: http://www.amazon.com/In-The-Groove-Record-Cleaner/dp/B004MG9YYQ/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=14598574... But if I were buying today, I'd pay the extra $40 and get this cleaner, which I feel is the best value in vacuum record cleaners out there today: http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=RDV |
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