Why not horns?


I've owned a lot of speakers over the years but I have never experienced anything like the midrange reproduction from my horns. With a frequency response of 300 Hz. up to 14 Khz. from a single distortionless driver, it seems like a no-brainer that everyone would want this performance. Why don't you use horns?
macrojack
JohnK. there is no definitive definition of a horn, but your bass horn is a completely different beast than what most of us are discussing here,,,, a front loaded horn to increase efficiency.

Your back loaded horn derives a huge part of it's output directly from the 4 drivers mounted on the face of it with reinforcement from the back. That is a very different scenario from a front loaded bass horn that must be much, much longer to be efficient.

It's not that one is right and one is wrong, but they are different. Curious what the efficiency of your bass cabinet is?

Jack, I finally got the web page to come up. It is curious that we have Bill telling us how wonderful his horn is with no mention of an EQ and Duke saying they sound like a megaphone without proper EQ. I didn't go back and read the whole thread so I'm going from memory here so maybe I missed something but if the horn does require EQ to sound good you would think the seller would mention that.
"Calling me smug is powerful stuff but unlikely to move you any further along in your understanding of horn function and the distinctions that exist from one concept to the next." -Macrojack

If I really don't care about horns one way or the other. And if I don't really care because I have yet to hear one that I truly like. Why do I need to educate myself? I don't care that much about line arrays either. Do I need to also educate myself about them? I'm sure there is some professional out there who could show me all sorts of math as to why they are the bees knees. Perhaps my perception of "smug" was a little strong but it's what I perceived when confronted with the idea that I need to "educate" myself more because I don't "like" horns. They don't suit my taste visavis other designs. I've never said they were an invalid concept.
Prdprez - There is no need for you to educate yourself about horns unless you want to make a useful contribution to this thread or you are considering ownership for yourself. As you you've established clearly that you have no use for horns, pray tell, what use have we of you? Why are you presenting yourself so emphatically in an arena where you have no interest nor expertise? Seems self-serving and insincere at best.
"I completely understand the difference in parallel and bridged.
I completely understand that parallel amplifiers cannot double the power output. I remain confused that you insist they do." -Herman

Then why did you assume bridge when I said parallel? And why did you need me to make the distinction? Whatever, its neither here nor there.
Laying in bed last night it dawned on me that every time you (herman) refer to "power" you are actually speaking of of "gain". Basic Watts versus dBW. Suddenly it became clear why you were so adamant that a basshorn didn't need 250W of power.
Well obviously it doesn't "need" that much GAIN. And because it has a built in volume control it is unlikely that it will ever USE that much gain. Never the less, being that the driver is NOT a resistor but has a complex impedance curve, the designers probably found a 250W amp useful.

As I said before, you're going to have to talk to BAT directly if you want any more explanation on their specs.
But your perspective makes better sense to me now thinking in terms of GAIN rather than total available power and why you aren't seeing what I've been trying to say here.
A horn may only need a small amount of gain but no speaker is a pure resistor and very likely will benefit from increased power in terms of current.

BTW, I offered no apology. Taking it truly is smug.
"Sorry, a complete load of crap.
Are you serious? You add up a bunch of errors and the total error is less than any individual error?"

Yes, absolutely serious. And it beguiles me as to why you don't get it.
I didn't use the term "errors" but since you do, in this sense "error" would be any deviation from FLAT. Maybe I should have said "frequency response" instead of transfer function.
But this doesn't change my assertion. Which, by the way, is provable with actual measurements.

In simplified terms, take two drivers with the same frequency range but whose precise deviation from flat response within that range are slightly different. If you add them to the same signal but reduce the gain to each by half (3dB) you end up with the same gain but the deviations from flat frequency will tend to average themselves out as the outputs from the two will combine.

This is a simple case of adding and then dividing by two. How is that not averaging? Aside from the fact that it can be consistently shown with direct measurements.

Until you can prove me wrong instead of just throwing insults you have no high ground.