Wifi vs ethernet revisited


For this discussion I want us to forget the usual problems of wifi: stuttering, buffering, loss of signal strength. Let’s assume we have a strong, reliable wireless connection. Questions: how would you rank the following:

1. [No wireless, my current config] Ethernet from router -> Switch (or OM) -> fiber -> Etherregen -> ethernet -> streamer.

2. Eero wireless mesh -> receiver -> ethernet -> streamer.

3. Eero Wireless mesh -> receiver -> ethernet -> Etherregen -> ethernet -> streamer.

Or, to really go hybrid and (probably nuts):

4. Eero wireless mesh -> receiver -> ethernet -> Switch (or OM) -> fiber -> Etherregen -> ethernet -> streamer.

I haven’t done [4] yet. But to my ears, [1] definitely beats {2] and (less emphatically maybe) beats [3] even though I have a very strong Eero wireless mesh system. Maybe my assumptions to begin with are still wrong? I can’t seem to read a good forum thread where the usual stuttering’/buffering problems (that we all know about) are removed. Thanks in advance everyone!

 

debrajray

One thing is your router-modem combo shoud be shut down unplugged 1 x a weak l for the cache gets built up,, turn off unplug for one minute ,then turn back on a tech told me this it refreshes and empties the buffer giving it faster load times 

I highly recommend buying a much higher grade router setup 

I bought  a Motorola 8702 combo router- modem on Amazon it has wifi 5 but has  docsis 3.1 , most are older3.0, much bigger processor much faster and much larger buffer easy to setup this works the majority of companies , around $270.just call tech support they ask for a Mac #  within 10  minutes up and running ,for a clear wifi or streaming upgrade the rougher is 4 amp  buy a LPS  power supply Digital is not grounded small green computer  has a decent one $299 and a decent power cords nice upgrade ,the stock $5 wall wart just add more noise .

@sns will report back, yes will get an LPS.

Thanks @audioman58 but if you read the last few posts carefully you will see why the 8702 does not work for me. I need 2.5 gb ports and I have zero use for the wifi.

Somewhat surprised someone hasn't entered discussion claiming all this nonsense. So for any novice or disbeliever, streaming chain tweaks and the ability to discern them first requires a highly resolving audio system. Second prerequisite is both streamer and dac need be highly resolving, only then will one benefit from these sorts of tweaks, these are simply icing on the cake if you will. Proof of concept, streamed music files sound quality needn't be inferior to high quality vinyl or cd setups.

 

And so back to the subject at hand. @audioman58 I have no doubt my router will change over time, still waiting on audiophile router.

 

Another tweak I've found to be worthwhile is DC cable for the LPS. I was extremely skeptical in regards to this until reading  Uptone white paper and user experience with this. So having used pretty generic DC cables for years finally took the plunge and made diy cables for my JCAT NetCardXE and OpticalRendu, these using Mundorf Silver/Gold wire with Oyaide connectors. I was quite taken aback, impact on sq similar to what I hear with AC cables! Quality of LPS also important, use the best for most important components, haven't experimented with different lps on router, Uptone JS-2 for JCAT card and OR, this choke based rather than cap/resistor based power supply.

Not sure why everyone hates WiFi, when done properly, it works great, nothing isolates like not being physically connected. However for best speed, and uptime nothing beats a direct connection.

My streamer is about 40ft from my basestation 2 rooms away. Have run a cable, and done WiFi test back to back. On my system, there is no difference between them. My setup is using WiFi. I do have a higher end cable modem, that I purchased and setup. Found a spot where it will provide WiFi to my entire house and garage without any extenders or repeaters. 

Fiber is king! Fiber is almost always "best" But real fiber is expensive, like $300 is the start for a good cable without SPIFs. Fiber has 0 noise, 0 electrons, far less jitter (network jitter not timing jitter) and is basically isolation between devices. 

Anytime you add a mesh network, it will have some issues. Especially if 2 base stations are constantly doing a "hand off". Mesh needs to be setup correctly, with some overlap, but not too much where devices are constantly hunting between 2 or more base stations. 

Adding more equipment is always a bad idea! You want as FEW hops as possible between your modem and devices. Cat6 runs under 200ft do not need anything special. Long runs are the norm in any data center. 

The wall outlet plug in extenders are junk, don't use them. 

There is 0 need for LPS on any switch gear, unless the wall wart is plugged into your stereo system power. No data center has upgraded LPS, they all use what comes in the box. 

Coming off a Nighthawk router, to a couple of those cheap boxes to convert the signal from electric to optical and back to electric. To a Netgear Powerline. To the other Powerline in my music room and lastly to the streamer. I started with a 100’ Cat 8 cable and went to the Powerline for the most part I can’t hear a difference.

I think.