Wilson Audio Haters

Bo has simply discovered the weird directivity effects of ribbons. Nothing new about that. A ribbon tweeter is much too tall for the frequencies it is transmitting. This means you get weird flanger comb filter type effects - some frequencies totally cancel out while others reinforce. This is the 3D he has discovered. It is laughable really because this is an artifact. It isnt high fidelity at all. It really messes with the sound and your perception of where it is coming from as a function of frequency. Some frequencies will come from ceiling and some from only side walls and others from the speakers. Basically a total mess if you are a purist and seek high fidelity. But great if you like weird SFX and point sources to become larger than they should.

You also get weird artifacts with an Appolito design. He may have discovered this also. Nothing he has discovered has not been known for already 30 years. However he thinks he is on to something new because most speaker companies shun these type designs that give inconsistent 3D artifacts in favor of accuracy and high fidelity.

Bo1972
is this your web page and is this your system setup?

https://www.facebook.com/bobby.kingma

thanks.

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to Crazyeddy’s thread subject.

Personally. I have known two Wilson speaker owners over the years, of which I actually heard their systems. This was a long time ago. Both were using their shared living rooms and were married. The first guy had speakers on castors and was anal about room positioning. He would roll them out to the tape markings on the floor when listening and push them back to the front wall when not in use. The second fellow, he had them arranged along the front wall, very similar to the system shown in Bo1972’s url link above. Both could be described as audiophiles and music lovers. Different expectations.

An AMT tweeter is not a ribbontweeter. It is a totally different technique. Again 3-dimensional sound has nothing to do with a ribbontweeter.

We also have clients who use speakers with a dome-tweeter who also own a 3-dimensional stage now. It is based on properties and working very accurate. 3-dimensional sound is not new, there are different brands and products who can build a 3 dimensional stage as well.

It is a 100% fact that people prefer a 3 dimensional stage. The same as that people prefer a sound with more diversity. This has nothing to do with personal taste. But like I said again: it is based on our emotion.

Some people have difficulties to read, so I will repeat it for those. 3-dimensional sound is only 1 part of Tru-Fi. All the different 8 parts are important and influences our emotion.

It was a 100% fact that the AMT tweeter outperformed the tweeter of the Wilson Sasha. Again it has nothing to do with personal taste.

The AMT tweeter vs the outdated dome tweeter of the Sasha showed:

- The AMT could reveal more details
- could reveal diversity in height of instruments and voices. With the Wilson they showd the same level in height.
- with different recordings the Sasha showed harshness ( ssssss sound) in the high freq. The Pl-200 II showed with all these recordings no any kind of harshness.
- The low frequencies were so much faster and showed more layers compared to the Sasha.
- The Pl-200 II could create a wider and deeper stage.
- The sound of the Pl-200 II was more natural and more open
- The individual focus of instruments and voices was so much sharper with the Pl-200 II.
- The Pl200 II showed much more diversity in sound.

We want more shootouts of audio, and no more bullshit paid stories. Audio is all about facts and shootout.

All our clients with more expensive audio have a Statement Audio Pro measurement. The difficulties most of you suffer, are gone for us already for many years. The resolution in audio shops and at shows is inferior compared to our resolution.

Advantages AMT against a dome-tweeter are: bigger power handling, significantly less distortion, bigger stage, more natural sound, better dynamics, a better timing and a more flat impedance.

Again we can proof this by sound!!

At this moment people are working on our new website.

Most things we do we will never show. The products have a much lower value than how they are used. At the end it is all about detail and how you use it.

You cannot see the Statement Audio Pro-measurment, adapting electricity, magnetism, high frequency noise, smog, modifications and many tweeks we use inside the amps, sources, cables and many other places.

When you create and sell a sound, it is a totally different approach than the silly extreme ineffective way of trial and error.

Even when you would buy the same stuff I own, I does not make sense and it will never work.

I had a lot of contact with Desmond Harrington(president) of Pass Labs. I was talking also about our Statement Audio Pro measurement. In 2015 he send me an email that he was thinking about buying a 5509 as well.

I had to laugh and I wrote, without my brains and insight the 5509 is fully useless. He cannot think and work in patterns/properties like I do. This is needed to understand it.

All people in audio focus on products and brands. Sound does not work like that, this way it always will be very ineffective. You never can reach the full potential of each part in your set. This is why money will never solve this problem.

Most sets are incomplete and beside this they miss properties you need for a higher level in emotion and realism.

At the end it is all about what you can hear. We have proven many times that our way of Tru-Fi with each single Monitor Audio loudspeaker sounds superior to the same speaker at any other shop. This is based on the fact they we can use the full potential or all properties the speakers own. All shops connect some stuff based on trial and error, they are only able to reach between 10-30% of the quality. And again we have proven this many times.

Audio is all about sound and what you can hear. This will be always less important than the technique they use. Technique does not garantee you a better quality.

In magazines and on websites you often read the information about the technique. And only a few lines about how it sounds. This shows again how limited these people are.

Of course the technique Monitor Audio uses is the reason why it creates the level what is possible. But it still does not garantee you anything. This counts for other brands as well.

The  beryllium tweeter of the Focal speakers also showed harshness at many different shows and demos we auditoned. The AMT tweeter laughs about these limitations :)

With the Sonus Faber Lilium we had the same experience. When we played Diana Krall we all could hear ssssss all the time. The people who gave the demo said; this is based on the fact that she is very close to the mic and it is based on the recording.

Lol, these recordings never showed any kind of harshness and sss sounds to all systems we sold. 

I will do my best to create a shootout with these speakers against the Platinum series. This is how audio should ne used. We like things to be clear and honest :)