Eminent Technology ET-2 Tonearm Owners



Where are you? What mods have you done ?

I have been using these ET2's for over 9 years now.
I am still figuring them out and learning from them. They can be modified in so many ways. Bruce Thigpen laid down the GENIUS behind this tonearm over 20 years ago. Some of you have owned them for over 20 years !

Tell us your secrets.

New owners – what questions do you have ?

We may even be able to coax Bruce to post here. :^)

There are so many modifications that can be done.

Dressing of the wire with this arm is critical to get optimum sonics along with proper counterweight setup.

Let me start it off.

Please tell us what you have found to be the best wire for the ET-2 tonearm ? One that is pliable/doesn’t crink or curl. Whats the best way of dressing it so it doesn’t impact the arm. Through the spindle - Over the manifold - Below manifold ? What have you come up with ?
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Hi Slaw – if you go back a few posts you will see in one of them that Dover introduced a new term to us - well I should say he introduced it to me.

“robust debate”

Now in my opinion only, this “robust debate” sometimes brings in conversations outside of the box.

The box here being the ET2, ET2.5 tonearm.

I have always found that thinking and talking outside of the box is generally a good thing in life.

It helps to understand how each of us arrive at our own decision points - in this hobby.

Now if I am talking gibberish and have misunderstood – wouldn’t be the first time :^(

May Dover and John47 correct me. We are all big boys here after all.

BTW - I am just as guilty for posting a bunch of stuff here that has nothing to do with the thread. The latest I believe was asking for wine recommendations. Mind you I would be consuming a good percentage of it listening to music with the ET2.

Cheers
Slaw, welcome back to the thread. What you see on the arm wand (magnesium) is a very exotic rubberized cloth material used as a wrap, and sourced from a local supplier, called Lowe's rubberized cloth gaffer's tape :-)

In an attempt to tame my Vandenhul and Shelter MCs' aggressive top end, I wrapped the arm for extra dampening; it worked well. When I began using MM's again, I went back to the original lighter wand which works better with them.
Chris, eliminate the competition, I always say :-) Man, I wasn't even close! Over 2000 ET2's sold; I would never have guessed the number to be that high. I figured 1200 or so by the time the arm was discontinued (before being brought back). When was that article written?
eliminate the competition, I always say :-)

Frogman - remind me never to enter a sports competition against you. I could get hurt.

Well curiosity killed the cat - my intentions were good. I figured put in a decent bid; win that auction for the ET2 reports; scan them and make the info available here.

So as the ebay clock winded down I strategically waited to make my move.
Nothing gets my heart pounding like an ebay bid.
59 seconds left I put in my bid and received the message back - No shipping to Canada !! sigh....

I will ask Bruce about the date - a little later. I am lying low with him for a bit - he has received so many emails from me.

Cheers


Lets look at things again.
I am officially retracting my retraction to Thekong regarding the ET2.5. Here is why.
When I realised my obvious mistake in thinking he was going to place a rigid CW arm on an ET2, when in fact he was proposing to use one on an ET2.5, I looked at the figures for this arm.
On 03/14/13 Chris posted the Horizontal resonant frequencies for the two arms. ET2 5-6hz ET2.5 2-3hz.
I already knew the horiz mass of the ET2, so calculated the mass of the ET2.5 assuming the same cartridge mass and compliance was used for both arms( a reasonable asumption)
Res freq is proportional to the square root of the inverse of the mass. In other words 4x mass = 1/2 res freq. Since the ET2.5 freq range was approx 1/2 the ET2, it implied that the ET2.5 was 4 x heavier, making it over 100 gm. This surprised me but in the absence of any other information, I took it on face value.
From experience it would be problematic if Thekong were to add a rigid weight to this apparently already heavy arm. Later on in the thread, 03/14/13, Chris published the actual weight of the ET2.5 being only 8gms heavier than the ET2. This means that ET did not use the same cart parameters when giving Chris the original info. Thekong, your call obviously but if I were you I would try a fixed CW arm provided it is really rigid.

Re my question re interaction between the two spring rates, cart and CW. I raised this question, not because I had suddenly "understood" how the ET2 worked but because the idea that having two springs driving the same structure could actually have a down side. I started thinking about this when Dover commented on the superior transient performance of his unipivot. The idea further coalessed when the tests were done with loosening the CW arm bolts. This would change the Q and possibly the res frequency of the CW assembly. Potentially reducing any interaction between the two springs, but not eliminating it.
When I fixed the CW and added further mass and used a low compliance cart, there was an unexplained positive side effect. Focus and sharpness improved. Transients were better. It was some years ago when I made this change and while liking the improvement, I didn't put too much thought into 'why'. While I did not post these positive results. My question to the fellow posters was " could the interaction between these two springs be a problem." I don't know, but it is a valid question and the graph I posted suggests that they do "talk" to eachother. My thinking was that there may be a link between the transient improvements I acheived and the use of a swinging CW.

When I first purchased the ET2, I set it up as per the manual, to the point of obsession. As with all of my gear, I wanted to extract every tiny bit of performance. In standard from, it was best as per manual, with the slight adjustment of swinging the Ibeam down as Chris has posted.
Years later I started to experiment. The result is what I have now. It is just my opinion, no more or less valid than anyone else, but I believe that it is significantly better than a standard ET2, when using low compliance carts.

We can debate this from first principles all we like, but the proof of the pudding is in the hearing. What does it sound like, how does it perform? This is evaluated with our ears.

I will not be degrading my arm by converting it back to standard form.