Eminent Technology ET-2 Tonearm Owners



Where are you? What mods have you done ?

I have been using these ET2's for over 9 years now.
I am still figuring them out and learning from them. They can be modified in so many ways. Bruce Thigpen laid down the GENIUS behind this tonearm over 20 years ago. Some of you have owned them for over 20 years !

Tell us your secrets.

New owners – what questions do you have ?

We may even be able to coax Bruce to post here. :^)

There are so many modifications that can be done.

Dressing of the wire with this arm is critical to get optimum sonics along with proper counterweight setup.

Let me start it off.

Please tell us what you have found to be the best wire for the ET-2 tonearm ? One that is pliable/doesn’t crink or curl. Whats the best way of dressing it so it doesn’t impact the arm. Through the spindle - Over the manifold - Below manifold ? What have you come up with ?
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Dover wrote:

"This is nonsense Richard. Your comments that the air bearing is rigid defies physics. Have you heard of compressed air. You can get 2300l of air into a dive bottle with an internal volume of 11 litres. Try that with metal.

Why not try to compress 1 litre of metal into a 50ml can at audio frequencies. According to your thinking this is possible.

Do you get any of this?"

The writer should get this, from Franc Kuzma:

'At hi-fi shows, we routinely ask people to pull or twist the Air Line tonearm on a Stabi Reference turntable. The whole suspended mass of 24kg (52.8 lbs) moves back and forth for 1/4!9 while the air bearing maintains zero friction! Most people are shocked.'
Manitunc,
I use the original metal set up jig, but it is very easy to draw up a template on cardboard, measurements are here -
http://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/index.php?topic=4300.0
Hi Manitunc
You can also find the measurements for VPI and SOTA templates in the online ET2 manual - Part two on pages 62 and 63 at the back. Drilling even the one small hole that the ET2 needs, in a nice plinth ranks up there as probably one of the most stressful things I have done in this hobby. If using removable armboards ? I usually make a test one out of some material to practice with. Welcome to the thread.
04-30-13: John47
The writer should get this, from Franc Kuzma:
'At hi-fi shows, we routinely ask people to pull or twist the Air Line tonearm on a Stabi Reference turntable. The whole suspended mass of 24kg (52.8 lbs) moves back and forth for 1/4!9 while the air bearing maintains zero friction! Most people are shocked.'
John47 - thank you for this. It confirms that the ET2 should NOT have additional mass added to it by removing the decoupling and adding lead.

The Kuzma bearing operates at about 60psi whereas the ET2 bearing operates at a much lower level. One cannot just increase the pressure; the manifold, airflow and bearing tube have to be designed specifically for the target operating pressures. Perhaps Ct0517 could test his ET2 with 24kg on the end of it.

Eminent Technology have 3 manifolds available
- The original low pressure
- The original high pressure
- A large spindle high pressure

Increasing the pressure generally increases the stiffness.

Eminent Technology website
ET II Large Diameter High Pressure Manifold - This new manifold is a direct replacement for the original high pressure manifold. You just remove the old spindle and push the old manifold out of the base and then insert the new manifold into the base and slip in the new, larger and heavier spindle. The new manifold allows the spindle, which is suspended on the air bearing, to be increased in diameter by about ¼th of an inch. Now ¼th of an inch may not sound like much, but it is the surface area of the spindle within the manifold that helps determine the stability of the bearing. The surface area of the new bearing is about 25% larger than the surface area of the old bearing, plus the tolerances are closer than in the original high pressure manifold. This makes for a much stiffer bearing.
These comments from Bruce Thigpen do not agree with the view opined in the following post
04-23-13: Richardkrebs
Although the bearing uses air which we know to be compliant, at the frequencies of interest, the bearing medium is stiff.
So one could surmise that the Kuzma does have a stiffer bearing if you accept that Bruce Thigpen knows what he is talking about, which I do as he is well studied in Physics, Maths, Audiology and has been designing air bearings for some 30 years.

Eminent are in the process of designing a new higher pressure bearing

Eminent Technology website
We are also developing a very high pressure bearing for the ET 2.5 which will operate between 20 and 80 psi. Please contact Eminent Technology if you have any questions.
The main advantage of the ET2 over the Kuzma is the low horizontal inertia and split resonance tuning capability due to the decoupled counterweight assembly.
These features ensure there is no bass hump and provides superior tracking of the groove. Superior tracking will preserve the harmonic structure of notes.

A good example of this is the test results that Frogman posted

03-23-13: Frogman
For instance, I am not yet convinced entirely that IN MY SYSTEM, going for the lightest weight/mass possible is the way to go. Yet, and speaking of loosening the laces, I decoupled (loosened) the I-beam yesterday, and lo-and-behold, on Donald Fagen's new release "Sunken Condos", what had previously been little more than amorphous low frequency energy suddenly became notes that I could discern the pitch of; completely the opposite of what I expected given my experience (extensive) experimenting with springs of different compliances (single, double, etc.), and the reason I had not tried it yet.
Bruce Thigpen confirms the problems created by increasing the horizontal inertia.

Bruce Thigpen
If the weight is coupled the system resonant frequency would be extremely low, a resonant frequency at 3Hz with a significant rise in response (6-12dB) results, which would affect tracking slightly because of the asymmetric position of the cantilever, we opt for splitting the horizontal resonance frequency into two points and lowering the "Q" which improves tracking.
More important than tracking, the intent was to reduce the modulation effects of low frequency energy (FM and AM) that increase distortion in the cartridge

This has been the thrust of my posts over the past few months – adding lead and removing the decoupled counterweight takes away to benefits of the ET2 split resonance low mass design, causes an unnatural lift in the bottom end and increases distortion. These suggested modifications eliminate the main benefits of the ET2 design.

Frogman, Slaw, Ct0517 and my own testing concurs with this. We have all achieved superior results with the correct tuning of the decoupled counterweight I beam.
The writer, Dover, has written a great deal about air bearings lack of rigidity on this thread.

A few comments:

“In the Hifi News Review of the ET2 Martin Colloms concluded that the shape of the resonance passing through the air bearing remained intact.
This is not per se empirical proof that air bearings are rigid.”

Prove your assertion, thank you.

“Air bearings have compliance, and gimbal bearings can only be too tight (loaded) or too loose and can chatter.”

“The response above to my original post of 04-17-13 contains misinformation.
The comments plucked from the internet are irrelevant as they pertain to ball bearings and air bearings.”

Why is information on air bearings not relevant to discussion of air bearings?

“Unipivots are mechanically coupled, whereas an air bearing is not rigid and loses some of the leading edge.”

You have proof?

“So one could surmise that the Kuzma does have a stiffer bearing if you accept that Bruce Thigpen knows what he is talking about, which I do as he is well studied in Physics, Maths, Audiology and has been designing air bearings for some 30 years.”

Your statement regarding Bruce Thigpen is equivocal.

I suggest you contact Bruce Thigpen directly. Tell him you are the poster on Audiogon who has been promulgating the lack of rigidity of air bearings.

Ask him why he designed a floppy bearing and POST THE RESPONSE HERE unedited. Thank you.