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What Does Holographic Sound Like?

And how do you get there? This is an interesting question. I have finally arrived at a very satisfying level of holography in my system. But it has taken a lot of time, effort and money to get there. I wish there had been a faster, easier and less expensive way to get there. But I never found one.

Can you get to a high level of holography in your system with one pair of interconnects and one pair of speaker wires? I don't believe so. I run cables in series. I never found one pair of interconnects and speaker wires that would achieve what has taken a heck of a lot of wires and "tweaks" to achieve. Let alone all the power cords that I run in series. Although I have found one special cable that has enabled the system to reach a very high level of holography -- HiDiamond -- I still need to run cables in series for the sound to be at its holographic best.

There are many levels of holography. Each level is built incrementally with the addition of one more wire and one more "tweak". I have a lot of wires and "tweaks" in my system. Each cable and each "tweak" has added another level to the holography. Just when I thought things could not get any better -- which has happened many times -- the addition of one more cable or "tweak" enabled the system to reach a higher level yet.

Will one "loom" do the job. I never found that special "loom". To achieve the best effects I have combined cables from Synergistic Research, Bybee, ASI Liveline, Cardas, Supra and HiDiamond -- with "tweaks" too numerous to mention but featuring Bybee products and a variety of other products, many of which have the word "quantum" in their description.

The effort to arrive at this point with my system has been two-fold. Firstly, finding the right cables and "tweaks" for the system. Secondly, finding where to place them in the system for the best effects -- a process of trial and error. A lot of cables and "tweaks" had to be sold off in the process. I put "tweaks" in quotation marks because the best "tweaks" in my system have had as profound effect as the components on the sound. The same for the best of the cables, as well. For me, cables and "tweaks" are components.

Have I finally "arrived"? I have just about arrived at the best level that I can expect within my budget -- there are a couple of items on the way. In any case, I assume there are many levels beyond what my system has arrived at. But since I'll never get there I am sitting back and enjoying the music in the blissful recognition that I don't know what I am missing.

I should mention that there are many elements that are as important as holography for the sound to be satisfying, IMO. They include detail, transparency, coherence, tonality, and dynamics, among others. My system has all of these elements in good measure.

Have you had success with holographic sound in your system? If so, how did you get there?
sabai
theaudiotweak
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Geoff

When the concert hall is full and there are not enough hangars in the cloak room and the audience takes their wraps to their seats with them this passive device now on their laps changes the time and energy response within the hall. These additional passive devices were added to the acoustic volume of the hall and are not part of the collective displacement of the hall patrons as intended by the acoustic designer. They are passive and displace air with various forms of reactive mass. Tom
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geoffkait
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Al wrote,

"Thanks very much, Mapman. Your assumption is correct -- I have never had an affiliation with anyone or any organization in the audio industry. Nor with any consumer product, for that matter. My background is in defense electronics."

Cool, my background is defense electronics, too. Small world, ain't it?

"Regarding various statements that have been made by others to the effect that opinions about tweaks are invalid unless the particular tweaks have been tried: While opinions can and will legitimately differ, and widely, about where to draw the line, I would submit that there must be SOME finite limit to the degree of apparent absurdity of a tweak, beyond which it can be rejected a priori."

If what you propose were true, i.e., that absurd or preposterous tweaks or ideas should be rejected based simply on "appearances" there would be no black holes or black hole theory, no faster than sound flight, no space travel, no quantum mechanics, no relativity theory. We can always find people that object to just about any issue in audio you. An come up with. Taking the Teleportation Tweak, the Red X Coordinate Pen and the Photos in the Freezer Tweak, I'd say there actually is no limit to how absurd a tweak might appear. All you kids out there, don't try this at home. Stay in school. Lol

"IMO, a lot of the tweaks that have been mentioned and/or linked to in this thread, especially in the recent parts of the thread, exceed any such limits that are conceivably within reason. And, frankly, I doubt that anything constructive can result from discussion of them, which is why I haven't posted in this thread in recent days."

And that, Al, is why they are *controversial*. What brings you back, the controversy? Lol
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geoffkait
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Tom wrote,

"When the concert hall is full and there are not enough hangars in the cloak room and the audience takes their wraps to their seats with them this passive device now on their laps changes the time and energy response within the hall. These additional passive devices were added to the acoustic volume of the hall and are not part of the collective displacement of the hall patrons as intended by the acoustic designer. They are passive and displace air with various forms of reactive mass.

but they are not passive radiators. By your new re-definition everything can be considered a Passive Device. But I'm ahead of you. The Red X Coordinate Pen, the reason I keep mentioning it, actually demonstrates that it is the *words* and other *information* contained in media that affect us. Thus, when you remove books, cassettes, newspapers, telephone books, etc. from the room and the sound improves it is not because the objects are passive radiators or even passive devices, it's because the words and data are the problem. it's why I used the word INFORMATION earlier. If you see what I mean.

You probably aren't familiar with the Japanese fellow who found that placing calming message in water result in beautiful well-formed crystals when the water is frozen but that messages that are negative such as I hate you result in ugly ill-formed crystals. I thought everyone heard about that. It's all over YouTube.

Geoff
theaudiotweak
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Geoff

Let me be positive here. I wasn't trying to get ahead of you..
Tom
chadeffect
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I am amazed that people are so offended by Geoffs information or lack of it. I guess we all take comfort in the world we construct around us. So anything that threatens that view is upsetting.

I like to think I'm a reasonable, educated and logical guy. I 1st read about the x pen and those kind of very odd tweaks from PWBELT in the 1990s.

Like most of you reading this I thought it was nuts. But it seems unlike some of you, I tried a sample to decide for myself. If it didn't work send it back. So what was to lose apart from a little time tinkering with the Hifi?

As I mentioned in an above post I had something happen (using PWBELT foils). It was there and the others in the room experienced it too.

As to what happened and why? I cannot help you there. But as a professional who works in recording studios I can say hand on heart the music comming out of the speakers was changed, and for the better. The expression was more obvious.

I wish I could say nothing happened and it was a load of nonsense, but unfortunately and to my dismay something happened.

Lets face it, how could a sticky backed foil placed on a electrical circuit do anything?

Lets say it was all in my head and the couple of friends heads there too. So maybe just going through that process caused us to be effected by the music differently? If so it still worked! We should hand it out at gigs!lol

I'm sure there are many charlatans out there, but if they are offering the chance to try their "product" and return it, why not give it a go? It's all part of the hobby.

If that were the case these following posts would be way more interesting. Because now all we have is the end. Little has been learned or experienced. I thought the point of these forums was to share experience and ideas.
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