AC Outlets

Rok2kid,
You are correct about the effects of gravity. It is predictable, even if the bases on which our predictions are made are wrong.

When are things ever so clear cut with audio.? I can spend 30K on another amp or preamp and no one can predict a priori how it will sound in my system. My point with outlets is that this is an inexpensive experiment. In my case, a $40 outlet fixed a problem that was only partially rectified by a much more expensive power treatment device.

Finally, high end audio is based on the marriage of electrical engineering with art. The designer must know the physics, and he must have an ear for music. There are companies out there that have consistently demonstrated they have both elements in place. Though I have a background in science, my background is not in physics. My approach to audio tends to be empirical, not theoretical. Questions are answered after the fact by music, not ab initio based on presuppositions.

An outlet is only a connection point. It does not change the sound of anything, just as long as it does its job right. By doing its job right, I'm speaking of it making the connection tight and safely, and carrying the current it's designed to. As long as it does its job this way, there should not be any change in sound.

The 60 cycle AC power coming from your outlet is converted to DC, in your component. If any of the AC is getting through the equipment's power supply, something is wrong.

If the outlet makes a bad connection, then it could introduce noise into the system. A good grade of commercial, or a hospital grade should do this just fine. A good connection should not get hot, or make noise. A hot one is a bad sign. The better outlets can handle more usage, without wearing as quick as the budget ones, that come standard in a lot of homes.

There are a ton of connections that the AC power must pass through just from the transformer, to your home. Then, there are countless connections in the power grid. Not only outlets, power cords just carry the power needed to your gear also, putting these in a similar category. Shielded power cords can help stop RF leakage, that can get airborne. They've been using this shielding on some computer cords, before upgraded audio power cords existed. Also, who knows how many noise generating factories, other facilities, and homes, are tied to your AC power, through the US Power Grid?

There is no proof, that I have seen, of any audio grade outlet doing a better job of this transfer of power, in a home audio system, or any other. Just buy a good quality commercial, or hospital grade outlet. That should do the job just fine.

Hi Fi - that's exactly the point I've been making in my above posts :-)

Also, I think SnoFun3's first post above makes a really good point LOL

As Always good Listening

Peter

If all outlets that do their job sound identical and discussion is moot are we still allowed to discuss outlets?

If at some point you hear differences in outlets, even a minor one, can we start discussing them again?

After all it does seem that you are the final arbiter and what you say goes. All bow to the final arbiter who has determined any discussion of this subject is unnecessary!
Thank you almighty one who has all knowledge of such matters!

Of course I assume that you have heard all outlets available oh powerful one while we mere mortals continue to struggle along.

Interesting thread.

I've done some hands/ears on research here with my system and after several rounds I have settled on Oyaide R-1 outlets which clearly sound best with my gear. The outlets I have tried off the top of my head: Cheapo Lowes, PassSeymour Hospital Grade, Porter Port, Wattgate 381, Furutech GTX-D, MIT Super 20 (more of a conditioner since it contains filters).

They all sound very different so I think it would take some trials to determine which you prefer. I also think it's important to note the differences are not subtle. I would never have imagined this to be the case without putting in the work to find out for myself.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance — that principle is contempt prior to investigation." Herbert Spencer