AC Outlets

Rja,

The OP was "Where do I search for ac outlets?"

I was the first to offer suggestions - not as to how and outlet "sounds" but to what I think is important for a electrical outlet, ie. make a solid point of contact.

I do have some experience in just that. I started at age 15 as an Electrician apprentice, in Europe (I'm from Denmark) that's an education that takes 3.5 years of where 1 year is spent on the school bench, and 2.5 years working with electrical installations under the immediate supervision of a trained Electrician, ie one that has completed the 3.5 years of apprenticeship and under the direction of a Electrical Engineer. Upon completion of my apprenticeship I went directly to college to get my Electrical Engineering degree.

I'm not stating this to "belittle" anyone, that is not my nature, I offered advise to try to help on a subject that I know about.

It is my contention that there is way too much snake oil in this industry - and I do think that subjects like this adds to that simply because facts are ignored.

Good Listening,

Peter

Rja, these are facts stated about outlets, not just beliefs. As I stated, I never have seen anything, that supports an outlet having any sound characteristic. Show me proof, if you believe otherwise.

This comes from engineers, and other knowledgeable people, that help make audio reproduction as we know it happen. Also other electronic based products, that even helps make our world better, and life easier. Same electronics behind that too. Based on facts.

Get to know some engineers. Study some electronics, and learn how these things work. If you did, it may help you understand some statements others make. Then when you've built amps, power supplies, even just for an amateur hobby, you'll find out how different parts in them, the voltage supplying them, can influence their different sound. Or just modify some. That helps make some statements made, more than just what we believe. It helps bring the facts out.

You're both idiots! I don't really care what you think or know or believe or even where you came from. There are posts here everyday that state that there cannot possibly be any sonic differences between outlets, wires, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.

I'm saying fine, believe whatever you want to believe I don't care. State your case and be gone instead of belittling those who want to have a conversation.
I'm not even talking about outlets, never made a claim one way the other, but you don't seem to grasp this. What I am talking about is your sarcastic attitudes and the way you're participating in this thread. For some reason you both seem to "know it all". Well, good for you!

10-22-12: Rja
You're both idiots! I don't really care what you think or know or believe or even where you came from. There are posts here everyday that state that there cannot possibly be any sonic differences between outlets, wires, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum

10-22-12: Rja
You're both idiots! I don't really care what you think or know or believe or even where you came from. There are posts here everyday that state that there cannot possibly be any sonic differences between outlets, wires, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum.

[quote]State your position and then vamoose muchacho!
Rja (Threads | Answers | This Thread)

Rja, you sound like a bitter man. Your the one that put the rude, belittling comments.

It seems you have a disrespect for anyone, that may have more knowledge on a subject, than you do. I don't know why people react like you. Maybe they scare you.

Some of us like to help others by saving them money on an unproven product, that has no scientific backup. Again, I would like to see measured proof.

The people that make amps, and other audio products, get their gear checked out in so many different ways, by reviewers, that try to find flaws with their products, it's almost unreal. Not so, with outlets. I guess they all test the same, when hooked to an audio system.

All of our audio gear is made by highly educated people that are Electrical Engineers, or have a high enough knowledge about scientific facts in electronics, to build it. Unlike you, Rja, I have respect for these people. Also, other highly educated people, in other subjects, and professions.

Maybe you Rja, don't like these highly educated people, but we wouldn't have our systems, or the internet without them. No electric, and the list is endless. It is definitively apparent you are not capable of designing and engineering these things.

Rja, my highly educated Medical Doctor tells me things, that I'm not knowledgeable about, but unlike you, I respect him. I also follow what he says. I don't him an idiot. Maybe part of your problem is, you called your Medical Doctor an idiot too.

Also, you don't practice what you preach. I've read some of your answers, and prior threads.

I never told anyone they can't buy a so-called audio grade outlet. So, Rja, buy any outlet you choose, and enjoy your music. I'm not your boss. For anyone other than Rja, save your money on these high priced audio grade outlets, and upgrade something else in your system that can be heard, and measured.

You'll be just as happy with the under ten dollar outlet, in my opinion(this is not meant to be belittling). Then, maybe you'll have extra money to buy something else for sale right here on Audiogon!

Interesting story that feels relevant to this discussion...

I met one of my closest friends here on Audiogon a few years back, Jim. A side note, this is one of the reasons the new format troubles me. It's not possible to develop relationships like the one I have with Jim here. Really too bad. Anyway, Jim is one of the smartest guys I've met in my life. I'm 50 years old and have been around many pretty smart guys in technical/medical fields so it's saying a lot. He's an electrical engineer, currently pretty high up in military/defense research, construction and supply. he designs very sophisticated power supplies etc and also spent many years in the audio industry. When I met Jim he swore to me that cables and power devices were nonsense/snake oil. Over time he began to trust my ears and was open minded enough to take my suggestions to try some. Since then he has replaced all of his cables with pretty costly MIT stuff, designed and built elaborate power cables and rewired his entire electrical supply chain. He also has one of the outlets I mentioned in my previous posts, Furutech, borrowed from me to audition. Despite all of his training pointing otherwise, he has been openminded and humble enough to understand that there is wisdom beyond what he has been taught and because of that his system is significantly better for it. I have a great deal of respect for guys like him. On the other hand, guys that think they have all the answers because they can't get from A to B in their skull....well they are going to stay stuck. That is a pretty grandiose position to take, actually. The reality is that outlets sound different. It's not a theory, belief or feeling...it's a fact. I'm sure there is some technical reason why but I don't know it nor do I care. If your the kind of dude that needs to know then rather then mislead people with your limited knowledge/experience and research this further until you have all the facts. I don't want this to come off as disrespectful, please do not take it that way. I know sometimes it's hard to be direct on a forum without sounding like a d..k :)