Capacitor log Mundorf Silver in Oil


I wished I could find a log with information on caps. I have found many saying tremendous improvement etc. but not a detailed account of what the changes have been. I have had the same speakers for many years so am very familiar with them. (25+ years) The speakers are a set of Klipsch Lascala's. They have Alnico magnets in the mids and ceramic woofers and tweeters. The front end is Linn LP12 and Linn pre amp and amp. The speaker wire is 12 gauge and new wire.

I LOVE these speakers around 1 year ago they started to sound like garbage. As many have said they are VERY sensitive to the components before them. They are also showing what I think is the effect of worn out caps.

There are many out here on these boards I know of that are using the Klipsch (heritage) with cheaper Japanese electronics because the speakers are cheap! (for what they can do) One thing I would recommend is give these speakers the best quality musical sources you can afford. There is a LOT to get out of these speakers. My other speakers are Linn speakers at around 4k new with Linn tri-wire (I think about 1k for that) and the Klipsch DESTROY them in my mind. If you like "live feel" there is nothing like them. In fact it shocks me how little speakers have improved in 30 years (or 60 years in the Khorns instance)

In fact I question Linn's theory (that they have proved many times) that the source is the most important in the Hi-Fi chain. Linn's theory is top notch source with lessor rest of gear including speakers trumps expensive speakers with lessor source. I think is right if all things are equal but Klipsch heritage are NOT equal! They make a sound and feel that most either LOVE or hate. (I am in the LOVE camp and other speakers are boring to me)

So here goes and I hope this helps guys looking at caps in the future. Keep in mind Klipsch (heritage Khorns Belle's and Lascala's especially) are likely to show the effects of crossover changes more then most.

1 The caps are 30 years old and
2 the speakers being horn driven make changes 10x times more apparent.

Someone once told me find speakers and components you like THEN start to tweak if needed. Don't tweak something you not in love with. Makes sense to me.

So sound
Record is Let it Be (Beatles)
The voices are hard almost sounds like a worn out stylus.
Treble is very hard. I Me Mine has hard sounding guitars. Symbals sound awful. Everything has a digital vs. analog comparison x50! Paul's voice not as bad as John's and George's. Voices will crack.

different lp
Trumpets sound awful. Tambourine terrible. Bass is not great seems shy (compared to normal) but the bad caps draw soooooo much attention to the broken up mid range and hard highs that are not bright if anything it seems the highs are not working up to snuff. I have went many times to speaker to make sure tweeters are even working.

All in all they sound like crap except these Klipsch have such fantastic dynamics that even when not right they are exciting!

Makes me wonder about the people who do not like them if they are hearing worn out caps and cheap electronics? Then I can see why they do not like them! If I did not know better from 25+ years of ownership that would make sense.

For the new crossover I have chosen Mundorf Silver in Oil from what I have read and can afford. I want a warm not overly detailed sound as Klipsch already has lots of detail and does not need to be "livened up" they need lush smooth sounding caps. Hope I have made the right choice?

When the crossover is in I will do a initial impression on same lp's. Right now it goes from really bad (on what may be worn vinyl) to not as bad but NOT great on great vinyl. (I know the quality of the vinyl because tested on other speakers Linn)

The new caps are Mundorf Silver in Oil and new copper foil inductors are coming. I will at the same time be rewiring the speakers to 12 guage from the lamp cord that PWK put in. PWK was a master at getting very good sound often with crap by today's standards components.

The choice of speakers would be a toss up now depending on what I am listening to. Klipsch vastly more dynamic but if the breaking up of the sound becomes to much to effect enjoyment the Linn would be a better choice on that Lp. If I could I would switch a button back and forth between speakers depending on song and how bad the break-up sound was bothering me.

volleyguy
I just received my pair of Ampohm myler-in-oil. I am going to put them in my preamp outputs this weekend. Stay tuned.
I am testing the Silver wired speaker vs. the vintage wired.

I have switched amps to use an all vintage EL84 no cap changes nothing. Just to make sure on the wiring.
With the Lp's I traded in part of my credit bought the Beatles Box set in Mono.

The set sounded awful at first. So I switched to the EL84 knowing that is what they recorded on. My opinion is the tapes are getting old. I do not hear any compression from the recording but my guess is the tapes are getting noisy from age.

I am not sure why the press thinks this set sounds good??? Even Micheal Fremer thinks they do?

I switched amps to check this along with the Duelund Silver wire.

The Beatles Mono set is noisy. A case were tape hiss reduction might be a good thing. Duelund Silver?

All this Duelund is making me fussy!

Sherod any word?
So far, with the Ampohm polyester caps, after just 48 hours in my preamp outputs, they are showing real promise. Better highs and a more "see-through" quality to the music. I want them to break in some more before I give my final take. If they end up winning my heart, I'll be selling my pair of 4.7uf Duelund VSF coppers for a great deal. I'm beginning to think that the Duelunds are best suited for speaker cross-overs. Stay tuned.
Sherod

Where did you buy them from? I might have to try a pair?

I only have the vintage foil in mylar and they have that "see through" sound so know what you are talking about.

Could you give a real close listen to see if there is a tilt. The vintage foil in mylar favours high freq giving the impression of clarity. Mine of course could be worn out of suffer from being physically too small. We know Steen did like vintage caps and used them till he came up with his own.

I find myself focusing on high freq instruments (cymbals etc) with the vintage caps. The Duelund/Jensen combination on the same CD of Jazz it is Miles and John Coltrane and the whole group. I really like the balance (Duelund/Jensen) but do know what Tony meant by "see though" and it is inviting. The cost difference is very big as well!