Good upgrade amp for my Thiel 3.6s


My apologies if this has been pondered already. I did a quick search of the site for 3.6s and didn't find a similar thread.

I'm looking for opinions on what amp would seriously upgrade my sound from where it is currently. I have a KSA-150 driving the 3.6s.

I've heard people say that 3.6s can sound even better with more power and a dealer recommended 200W/channel as a minimum for them.

He was showing me the Classe Cam350s. Are monoblocks the way to go, or is there a killer stereo amp out there that's not in the price leagues of Boulder?

Obviously, I'm sure there's plenty of great choices, but I'd like to keep costs somewhat reasonable. I know the Classes retail for $7K for the pair. I was hoping to stay at $4K or under, but won't rule out the 350s if they really make a noticeable difference.

Thoughts?
justin2468
I drive my Thiel 3.6's with an Aragon 8008BB, through Analysis Plus Oval 9 cables. This amp has a robust power supply, so that it doubles the current when the load impedance is halved, i.e., 200 watts into 8 ohms, and 400 watts into 4 ohms. It doesn't sound thin or harsh -- I've been pleased with it. You can find it used for $1500 or less, which is a lot less than you'll pay for some of the other units mentioned. You may want to check it out.

Good luck!
Thanks to all the varying responses. I was wondering if anyone out there has a 3.6/Krell KSA-250 matchup. I was thinking that would be a good way to go.

To Jameswei and others:

Isn't 500wpc too much for the 3.6? I thought they were rated for between 100-400 watts. Are you risking damaging the speaker with that kind of power?

Also, I was reading my 3.6 manual this weekend. Sensitivity is rated at 86db in their manuals. Is it actually lower than that?

Justin
You're right about risking damage at 500 watts. Damage can occur at lower wattage, too. For example, the tweeter will fry if you put 400 watts into it. Also, if your amp power is relatively low and you turn up the volume until it clips, the clipped signal can damage your speakers fairly easily. I generally regard the manufacturer's upside wattage specification as a guideline not to turn the volume beyond a certain level. The 400 watt specification suggests to me that the speaker is relatively robust and can play fairly loud. I believe the speaker can withstand substantially higher power peaks for very brief periods using musical material.

The low end specification of 100 watts suggests that the speaker is relatively inefficient, which the 86 db sensitivity rating implies also. Of course, you can get decent volume out of the speaker using only a few watts, but you need more to reproduce peaks at realistic concert hall levels. I don't know if the 86 db rating is on target or too high. I would rely on Thiel's honesty in ratings and engineering capability for properly identifying the speaker's sensitivity. Naturally, the loudness we perceive will be dependant on our room acoustics, which could easily cause as much as several db of difference.

I never had any trouble driving my 3.6's with the 7B st's. I never damaged any of my drivers. (I did once overtighten the speaker's cable binding posts, to my huge embarrassment.) However, I rarely turned the volume way up. Mostly, I listened to small acoustic jazz groups at live volume levels. I think the 7B st's are a good match for the 3.6's for their high current and high power capabilities, as well as good sound and reasonable cost.
Justin, what is it about the sound you're getting that you don't like? I can't imagine a KSA-150 not being able to drive the Thiel's adequately, IMO; so I'm not convinced more power is what you need. The particular sound you're getting is another matter. In what areas is the sound lacking? Is it too bright? too sterile? not warm enough? not fast enough? too fast? do you want a bigger soundstage? would you maybe like more dimensionality of images (200+ VTL watts). It's not always clear what "better" is. I look forward to your response.
Frogman makes a good point but in general, a bit more power might give you better defined bass and that over all effortless feeling like the amp isn't constrained at all. This was very noticeable for me when I went from my Classe CA-100 to the CA-200 amp driving the smaller Thiel CS 1.5's. For the Thiel 3.6's I would lean toward an amp that can produce at least 200w/channel but preferably 300w/ch or so into 8-ohms. Used Classe CA-200's can be had for around $1400 and CA-300's for around $2000. I just sold a pristine near-mint condition CA-300 a month ago. Good luck!