Capacitor log Mundorf Silver in Oil


I wished I could find a log with information on caps. I have found many saying tremendous improvement etc. but not a detailed account of what the changes have been. I have had the same speakers for many years so am very familiar with them. (25+ years) The speakers are a set of Klipsch Lascala's. They have Alnico magnets in the mids and ceramic woofers and tweeters. The front end is Linn LP12 and Linn pre amp and amp. The speaker wire is 12 gauge and new wire.

I LOVE these speakers around 1 year ago they started to sound like garbage. As many have said they are VERY sensitive to the components before them. They are also showing what I think is the effect of worn out caps.

There are many out here on these boards I know of that are using the Klipsch (heritage) with cheaper Japanese electronics because the speakers are cheap! (for what they can do) One thing I would recommend is give these speakers the best quality musical sources you can afford. There is a LOT to get out of these speakers. My other speakers are Linn speakers at around 4k new with Linn tri-wire (I think about 1k for that) and the Klipsch DESTROY them in my mind. If you like "live feel" there is nothing like them. In fact it shocks me how little speakers have improved in 30 years (or 60 years in the Khorns instance)

In fact I question Linn's theory (that they have proved many times) that the source is the most important in the Hi-Fi chain. Linn's theory is top notch source with lessor rest of gear including speakers trumps expensive speakers with lessor source. I think is right if all things are equal but Klipsch heritage are NOT equal! They make a sound and feel that most either LOVE or hate. (I am in the LOVE camp and other speakers are boring to me)

So here goes and I hope this helps guys looking at caps in the future. Keep in mind Klipsch (heritage Khorns Belle's and Lascala's especially) are likely to show the effects of crossover changes more then most.

1 The caps are 30 years old and
2 the speakers being horn driven make changes 10x times more apparent.

Someone once told me find speakers and components you like THEN start to tweak if needed. Don't tweak something you not in love with. Makes sense to me.

So sound
Record is Let it Be (Beatles)
The voices are hard almost sounds like a worn out stylus.
Treble is very hard. I Me Mine has hard sounding guitars. Symbals sound awful. Everything has a digital vs. analog comparison x50! Paul's voice not as bad as John's and George's. Voices will crack.

different lp
Trumpets sound awful. Tambourine terrible. Bass is not great seems shy (compared to normal) but the bad caps draw soooooo much attention to the broken up mid range and hard highs that are not bright if anything it seems the highs are not working up to snuff. I have went many times to speaker to make sure tweeters are even working.

All in all they sound like crap except these Klipsch have such fantastic dynamics that even when not right they are exciting!

Makes me wonder about the people who do not like them if they are hearing worn out caps and cheap electronics? Then I can see why they do not like them! If I did not know better from 25+ years of ownership that would make sense.

For the new crossover I have chosen Mundorf Silver in Oil from what I have read and can afford. I want a warm not overly detailed sound as Klipsch already has lots of detail and does not need to be "livened up" they need lush smooth sounding caps. Hope I have made the right choice?

When the crossover is in I will do a initial impression on same lp's. Right now it goes from really bad (on what may be worn vinyl) to not as bad but NOT great on great vinyl. (I know the quality of the vinyl because tested on other speakers Linn)

The new caps are Mundorf Silver in Oil and new copper foil inductors are coming. I will at the same time be rewiring the speakers to 12 guage from the lamp cord that PWK put in. PWK was a master at getting very good sound often with crap by today's standards components.

The choice of speakers would be a toss up now depending on what I am listening to. Klipsch vastly more dynamic but if the breaking up of the sound becomes to much to effect enjoyment the Linn would be a better choice on that Lp. If I could I would switch a button back and forth between speakers depending on song and how bad the break-up sound was bothering me.

volleyguy
Test of Jensen vs. Duelund VSF

The Duelund for sure has the richer tone. A more liquid sound in the midrange but it seems the Jensen Paper Copper Tube is more dynamic.

Now some joked about this but the Jensen is bigger cap. In every case I have tried the larger cap is more dynamic. So at what point is the cap big enough???

This is all from memory. Going to a better comparison with both speakers wired. Just wanted to hear an (almost) all Duelund all Silver wired set up.

As it stands right now I am going to stick with what I have. (which is a mix of Jensen Duelund in the amp)

Duelund VSF strength (tone, tone tone) everytime I have added a Duelund I pick up sounds of more instruments.

Jensen Copper Paper Tube (swing) Like Jimmy had said on his site the cap has excellent swing. I suspect that the Jensen has more in common with the CAST.

CAST might be the answer for best of both worlds. (at a very high cost)

Will try the Ampohm vs. Jensen as well but can already say Jensen is in a different league in the bottom end.
Speaker all wired up. End of that experiment.

Testing 2 Duelund VSF vs. Jensen and Ampohm. Ampohm was still in and later vs. 2 Jensens.

Of note.
Duelund Copper very tough to work with. I had no woofer for awhile did not get the wire clean enough. That silk really must be cleaned off. Not a big deal but the Silver is much easier to work with.
I have Mundorf S/G/O in my speakers but am going to replace them with Duelund VSF copper. I ordered the VSFs earlier this week. If I had room in my speakers I would have opted for the CAST copper capacitors.

Having lived with the S/G/O for the past five months, what has me wanting to move to the VSFs is that I want to go from "slight top-end emphasis" to "tonal balance near perfection" as Tony Gee wrote.

Compared to the Mundorf S/O or S/G/O, might I also be picking up a little more richness or liquidity in the midrange?
I have one other question that I'd like to ask this group. In my speakers I am using Mundorf S/G/O and Mundorf M-Resist Supreme resistors. As I mentioned in my previous post I am planning to replace the S/G/O cap with VSF copper, but am also wondering about the resistor. If I keep the M-Resists then the VSF will be a simple drop in replacement. If I change to a Duelund resistor, I'll have to figure out a different topology.

I am wondering if changing out the Mundorf resistor for a Duelund resistor would make an audible difference?
Reynold853

I can not comment on the S/G/O as I have only had the S/O. Do post back on here it should be interesting. The VSF may come across as flatter but with better tonal richness.

Dgarretson did mention long ago something that I believe that we should go after the era of weakness for most improvement.

I have not used a Duelund resistor as I do not need any but the most common comment I have heard is a no brainer on Duelund resistor.