Is there a difference between AR Complete & YBA In


Are the YBA Integre and the Audio Refinement Complete the same amps in different clothing? I am thinking about getting the Integre (single transformer), but have heard that the Complete may have the same components.

Aside from cosmetics and country of assembly are there any major technical differences that warrant the jump in price?

Would I be better off getting the Complete in this price range as compared to the Creek 5350se, MF A3, Classe Cap 101, etc?

One final question, is paying the extra money for the YBA Integre worth it considering there is an upgrade path?

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Thanks once again Sugarbie!

Based on your comments I took the opportunity to audition both the Complete and the (Single transformer) Integre. Now I don't know if it's my imagination or not but the Integre (single transformer) sounded more dynamic and full. The bass, while not at all earth shattering on the stand mount speakers I was listening through was definately fuller and more precise than the Complete. The overall sound signature was the same on both units but all styles of music from Tchaikovsky's Pathetic to Arabian Cafe Drum'n Bass had a more palpable presence especially at high volumes. And the build quality and attention to detail seems much better on the Integre.

Based on what I heard I totally concur with all of your comments, "I mean that the instruments where tonally precise.
The vocals where uncanny. The soundstage was holographic. I no longer had to look for it in the music it freakin jumped out and told me what music should sound like. I could no longer find any significant flaws, I didn't question the sound. It was all right there for me to enjoy."

I finally decided to get the Integre (single transformer) with remote because the dealer can offer the DT upgrade at any time. He also mentioned that for a modest sum he could use one of the inputs to make a pre-out. So I got a brand new unit for $1378.00. I may be wrong but I have the feeling that I will be happy with this unit for quite some time, even without the DT version. Even my wife immediately noted how the music seemed to be "purer", more refined and conveyed the emotion of performance better than the CAP 101 I owned previously.

This was a difficult decision because of all the conflicting advice I got: "Go with the Audio Refinement, splurge for the Integre"... Your input has been invaluable. In a certain sense you put the words into my ears... though my ears had the last word...

Thanks
Happy Listening!! If you ever decide to spin some vinyl, the YBA moving magnet phono stage is excellent for the $150 it costs. I assume(?) they can add that later also. YBA's moving coil phono is $400.


PS: Some of "my" comments above were lifted from Aaron's review and are his. See my headnote. I do agree with them.

YBA is coming out with a 100 watt per channel Passion Integre DT. I am currious to hear it. It will have a list price of around $4,000+.


Sugarbrie,
I just got a Passion Integrated and beleive me, this unit is a good notch over the YBA 2 amp/preamp and very close the the Series 1... It's the best integrated amp I ever heard...

It's well worth the extra pennies (compared to the Integrated DT)...