Which is better Arcam 85 or Creek 5350Se

I have 5.0's and I auditioned them with both the Creek and the Arcam, and I was unimpressed both times. I ended up with a Bryston B60R and I am very happy. Buy one used off of Audiogon. With Bryston's 20 year transferable warranty (don't even need a receipt), you can't lose, and the Bryston is a much better built machine than the Arcam and Creek. I think Stereophile's class A rating for the Creek is ridiculous. It is definitely inferior to the Bryston.

I replaced my Creek 5350SE with an LFD MIstral LE integrated much more open sound with superior transparency etc..

What's with all the typo's in the above posts? Thought I
was the only one that couldn't spel?

Used to play darts at a bar with friends....and we always
called it the "beer to darts ratio"!

I, also, have heard good things about both integrateds, for
the price. I have also heard about and heard the new Ayre
integrated...and although a grand more, very much a grand
integrated.

I had both in home with Tyler Reference Monitors and the 85 tore up the Stereofool Class A Creek. Later I used the pre only on some active speakers and was impressed. Today I used a Plinius CD-LAD 3k pre on the actives and preferred the pre section of the 85. The 85 has so many features that are not even talked about at Arcams web site or any reviews.
I also preferred the 85 to my previous Electrocompaniet ECI-4 3k. Add a P-85 and you are set for life. This is without question the best Integrated I have heard, and I also preferred over the Levison 383.

From the various responses, the conclusion as always is to demo them, and decide for yourself which one you like better. You have narrowed it down to two. These forums are good for getting suggestions. We have probably gotten you as far as we can.