What is the best used ARC Pre-Amp to get?


With all the choices in ARC Pre-Amps I need to know which have these capabilities,are rated the Best and what the Blue Book is for them used?If you know of a different Brand that has the same capabilities then pass it along.

Phono Stage
Single Ended
Processor Loop-(If possible)
Remote Control-(If Possible)
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Looking at what to get in an ARC Pre-Amp.I would like to becapable of having my Lexicon CP-3+ SS Processor outside the Loop when using the system for Stereo only playback!Need a Phono Stage also.How would you go about it?

The newer ARC Pre's have a Processor Loop along with Remote's.Would like to either get an all tubes Pre-Amp or Hybrid with a remote capability.

Line-Levels are out because I do not want to go through getting a outboard Phono stage.

This newer model looks like it has the features I need ,but I would like to get a used model.
http://www.audioresearch.com/SP16.html

Thanx!
nearsota
The SP8 is the very best for your dollar, hands down.
I've had the SP9MKIII and it's a sterile and overrated pre.
The SP8, like the all time champ, SP10, are the last all tube series from AR.
Was just looking at the SP8 and I will be looking out for one that won't drain my pocket!Is there any Tube tips I need for it?And what do I do ,buy an outboard Phono Stage?I could just use the Phonostage from a Rotel Pre-Amp I have to hook into the Linestage correct?
the sp8 has a built in phono. re the sp10II besides the price there is a sonic difference to consider. the sp8 has a more up-front sound - the sp10II is more laid back. if you can find one and spring for the extra bucks the sp10II is worth the difference. i've had mine for 16 years now - i won't be selling it soon i can promise. i also use a creek for casual volume control. works just fine.
Honestly I feel that preamps like the bat vk-30/30SE w/phonostage are quite a bit better than the modern day arc preamps. I haven't heard the ref 2. I use a vk-5i and feel that it's in the same general league as the ref 1 which I also owned. The ref1 is far and away the best arc preamp I've heard. You might want to look at a vk-3i with a built in phono stage if you want to keep the price down.

I think bat makes the best tube preamps on market. They all mated very well with my vt100. Just my opinion and taste of course.

I heard the ls15,ls12,and demoed the older ls-5mkII. I didn't care for any of them. I didn't like the 12 and 15 at all - not enough transparency. The ls-5 had a great soundstage & I can hear why it is a classic. In my system it sounded a touch grainy, and lacked dynamics compared to the champion vk-5i. Maybe the tubes were bad - it was 8 years old or so & the solder's all looked remarkably dull and tinny. I have a feeling it had been repaired. The vk-5i easily defeated this contender.

I know you want to keep it all in one, but a decent low cost alternative would be the adcom 750 ($750 used) with a lehman black cube ($4-500 used). The black cube is physically very small. The adcom has a processor loop and can act as a passive pre. The 750 also has remote volume, active or passive mode, and a processor loop so you can run your home theater through it. A nice nice package that is sonically at the 90-95% mark of the best I've heard.

The arc ph-3 ($950 used) is an awesome tube external stage - warm and tubey yet very transparent with good bass. It's voiced with the arc house sound - big and powerful with a full, weighty midrange. Run the ph-3 into the (passive mode) adcom and you will have wonderful sound.
as far as european hifi magazines are concerned, the AR SP-16 is the best without any price considerations!
Any comments?

FG