how much tube power for eclipse ?

Sean- Opinionated, me??? :) perhaps. I was a little over the top earlier, how ever I do think the sunfire may work better then the aforementioned Rotel. The problem with lower wattage tube amps is you will lose sound stage, imaging, and low end extension(which that speaker ain't to good at, so don't lose any of it) but will gain some body and texture- to me(having gone through the same thing) the benefits don't out weigh the short comings of lower wattage tube amps. Again this is just my opinion some like it, some leave it- its up to you to make a decision.

Tim, you're probably underrating Rogue that has a transformer tolerable to large impedance swings as well as VTL. It's just simply not with the same class with Avalons but can play them for sure. Later-on magnum upgrade can be done. If it can drive Thiel 3.6 than Avalons I think is easier.

Again, for the millionth time, if you want a super valued
amp that will drive the eclipse, then try getting the
Spectral DMA200 for about $1500. It drives my Radians and
my Acoustats, without any problems except when I decide
I want to bruise my ears with 110 db sound pressure. The
Rogue 120s or even the 60s should work fine for any thing up to 90-95db.
Which is very loud, concert hall levels.
You figure 85db/1m and at 3m listening distance that brings it down to around 80db for 1 watt; 90 db is 10 watts; 100db is 100watts; 103db is 200watts. Also the DMA200 does not need a Spectral preamp.

Hi Glen45,
I have a pair of VTL 80 watt mono's I use with my Maggie 1.6's(84db). My room is 14x16. They sound great! Big powerful sound. If your interested they are for sale @ 950.00 OBO.
Let me know
Bill