What does "transformer coupled" mean?


I've read about preamp designs that are transformer coupled (Audio Note, Supratek, others?). What's the big deal about transformer coupling?
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Marakanetz stated: "If roll-off touches too much an audiable freequency we can apply a small feedback and make tranny's load responce much wider."

This sounds like you are taking one negative ( transformer induced frequency response errors ) and trying to correct it with another negative ( increased negative feedback ). In most instances, at least when it comes to audio, two negatives don't make a positive.

Audio Xpress had an interesting article about an amp that was somewhat similar in design to the Marantz 8 / 8B and the trade-offs that they had to make when building that amp. The unit built & described in this article showed the differences in bandwidth / linearity using various amount of negative feedback, etc.. while making use of what were supposed to be "high tech" wide-bandwidth toroidal output transformers. None of the results looked real good to me as each approach seemed to solve one problem and create another. As a side note, the measured distortion on this amp was pretty attrocious too.

Having said all of that, much of this does not really apply to interstage or "coupling" transformers due to the low current levels in use.

Clueless stated: " 2) There has been lots of talk about caps and their sonic signature. One way of thinking is that any cap is a bad cap. Using IT coupling may allow you to get rid of a cap in the signal path and the “sonic degradation” some associate with it.

My thoughts about this are that you have simply traded one sonic signature for another. While every cap made will have its' own characteristics, so will a transformer. The ease of changing a cap within a circuit is FAR easier than doing the same with a transformer. This is not to mention that one literally has dozens upon dozens of caps to choose from / manipulate whereas the options with transformers are rather limited ( in most cases ).

Clueless stated: "4) ITs do not do well with lots of non local negative-feedback.

Personally, i don't know of any gear that uses a lot of global feedback that sounds real good. It might measure quite well in specific areas, but sonically, it is a mess. Can you say "sterile & lifeless" ???

Clueless also stated: "7.) Other things: They break the signal ground, isolate RF trash from the input stage,"

My thoughts about this are that any transformer that is not well designed / shielded becomes a source to pick up / pass on RFI. Transformers work by creating a magnetic field and varying the energy transferred within that field. RF based signals are nothing more than "floating fields" and can easily find their way into such designs. Obviously, a poor design combined with high levels of RF would become pretty obvious and HIGHLY annoying. Once again, it is not so much the design as it is the quality of parts used and how well the design is implimented.

Other than that, i thought that some of the points that he covered in parts 4, 5, 6 & 7 were very fair and even-handed. All designs / products have trade-offs and i thought he did a very nice job of highlighting both the pro's and con's of IT's. Sean
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Hi Sean:

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>>My thoughts about this are that you have simply traded one sonic signature for another.

I agree. That is why I use the phrase "one way of thinking...' and talked about "“sonic degradation” some associate with it."
I've not had the chance to listen and test Ts and caps in all different circuits myself (obviously)and I just withhold judgment. Lots of people really do not like caps though and some like the sound of ITs. You are just trading one sonic signature for another..but that is what it's all about, eh?

>>Personally, I don't know of any gear that uses a lot of global feedback that sounds real good.

I do not use NFB myself. I like SETS for sound and simplicity to make. I was just making an observation as to why transformer coupling was not popular from the outset. 1930s-40s. IT was not used largely because NFB-PP amps became really popular and NFB is very hard (impossible) to use with ITs. It was just an observation. Not made in support of NFB. I also said it because the a thought sometimes heard is, as M stated, "If roll-off touches too much an audible frequency we can apply a small feedback and make tranny's load response much wider." This is true (well.. kinda true) for output Ts but will get you into trouble with interstage transformers using nfb for this fix especially on the low side.
(At the same time I've listened to some old vintage stuff (dyna-Eico-Scott) that sounds very good (not great) for the dollar with nfb.”

>>>>My thoughts about this are that any transformer that is not well designed / shielded becomes a source to pick up / pass on RFI. Transformers work by creating a magnetic field and varying the energy transferred within that field. RF based signals are nothing more than “floating fields” and can easily find their way into such designs.

Anything that is “not well designed” or poorly implemented is going to cause trouble in a circuit. If the layout is poor a simple wire is going to be antenna so your statement is impossible to disagree with. Most everything is a design compromise too. Anywaay, thatis why I said IT's are “notoriously harder to design ($$$$$$) than output transformers.” If designed and implemented well they can do good things too. This is true with all things audio.

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Clueless: I think that we are on the same page and discussing semantics here. The only point that i would bring up is, while caps do have their sonic signature, i think that they are far less susceptible to picking up RFI. On top of that, the "fields" emanating from a cap ( and they DO produce a field ) is of far lower intensity than that of a transformer. As such, using a transformer would require placing it further away from sensitive circuitry in order to minimize potential "contamination". The end result would be a longer signal path with greater potential for degradation.

As such, it all boils down to what the engineer / circuit designer is trying to achieve with his product and what you like as an individual. I think that most of us here agree that everything in audio is a trade-off. As such, personal preference is the bottom line. Sean
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